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Is it really possible to protect yourself and your network from these types of attacks? Any company with sysadmins or internal security teams is extremely out g
by WestCoastJustin 12y ago
Is it really possible to protect yourself and your network from these types of attacks? Any company with sysadmins or internal security teams is extremely out gunned against someone like the NSA (it is almost comical) [1]. From the perspective of a sysadmin, who has worked in startups, small companies, a university, and several government departments, I can firmly tell you that, we are not in the same league! Sure we take the yearly security courses, use best practices, harden machines and infrastructure, but after reading these articles.. we are sitting ducks. If the NSA is in bed with US based network gear providers, they can simply own the network and telecom infrastructure (via build in backdoors), and you do not even know they are there, because they side step the normal exploit channels [2].
Probably the best way to describe this, is to compare security and pro sports teams. From what I have read, the NSA is a top tear team winning championships across the globe, with billions in research and development, and thousands of highly trained athletes, living and breathing this day in and day out. Yet, they are matched up against a local beer league who likes to play casually Thursday nights. Who do you think is going to win?
Go read the "A Look at Targeted Attacks Through the Lense of an NGO" [3] paper, then put yourself in their shoes. Think about the IT resources a small NGO with 30-50 employees has. Maybe they have a sysadmin and a helpdesk guy. They are dead meat. The threats are so vast, spear phishing, target malware via MITM attacks, etc. It almost seems hopeless. But it is not just the NSA at the top of the heap, you have lots of foreign governments, which have direct access to your playing field via the internet.
Think about the resources that Google, Facebook, and Apple throw at security, then you see something like Operation Aurora [4, 5]. What chance does an ISP or small business have? None. Personally, it just seems like the entire model is broken. Yet, nothing seems to change, in that we are all just waiting for the next zero day to drop, and the cycle continues. All it takes is one targeted zero day addressed to a normal employee, the attackers gain access to the network, then move laterally [6, 7]. The odds are further stacked, in that you have a top tear team against a targeted employee, who doesn't even know the game.
ps. sorry for the tone of this
[1] https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/03/20/inside-nsa-secret-efforts-hunt-hack-system-administrators/ https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/03/20/inside-nsa-sec...
[2] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/snowden-nsa-syria-internet-outage-civil-war http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/snowden-nsa-syr...
[3] http://www.mpi-sws.org/~stevens/pubs/sec14.pdf http://www.mpi-sws.org/~stevens/pubs/sec14.pdf
[4] http://www.wired.com/2010/01/google-hack-attack/ http://www.wired.com/2010/01/google-hack-attack/
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora
[6] http://g0s.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/downloads/Inside_Report_by_Infosec_Consortium.pdf http://g0s.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/downloads/Inside_Repo...
[7] http://intelreport.mandiant.com/Mandiant_APT1_Report.pdf http://intelreport.mandiant.com/Mandiant_APT1_Report.pdf
- zz1 12y agoAs CIA backed companies and PRISM partners Google, Facebook and Apple have no interest and no right to fight NSA surveillance. What do you mean precisely when you say that "sysadmins have tons of stuff going on"?
- meowface 12y agoIt is technically possible, yes, but you need a really good security team as well as security policies that everyone is following. At the very least with a good security team you may be able to notice the malicious activity shortly after you've been breached, even when it's too difficult to prevent the breach from happening at all. This is infeasible for a lot of organizations, unfortunately. And it also becomes much more difficult if your adversary has full control of your DNS servers or can perform a man-in-the-middle due to their backbone Internet access. Something like an Evilgrade (https://github.com/infobyte/evilgrade https://github.com/infobyte/evilgrade) attack conducted via an ISP MitM is very hard to detect and prevent, and I suspect NSA uses Evilgrade-like tactics frequently. And if you live in the US it's game over by default, since they can legally send people onsite to compromise you.
- rufugee 12y agoIf the NSA is in bed with US based network gear providers If ^^that^^ is true, then I'd argue your first sentence is not. There is simply no way to truly protect yourself if the gear manufacturers are complicit.
- final 12y agoNot to mention that the government has trusted signing keys and can generate SSL certificates for any site, that your browser and other apps will accept. Combined with control over the Internet level 1 infrastructure makes MITM attacks trivial. Gotta love our brave new fascist state, soon to go global.
- coalbee 12y ago'Not to mention that the government has trusted signing keys and can generate SSL certificates for any site' do you have anywhere I could read more about this?