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I'm not sure I follow where this fits in here: "Windows" replaced "Windows Phone" in this example, and "Lumia" replaced "Nokia Lumia". I don't see this as repr

by Eyas 12y ago

I'm not sure I follow where this fits in here: "Windows" replaced "Windows Phone" in this example, and "Lumia" replaced "Nokia Lumia". I don't see this as representing a continued use of the "Windows" brand in other contexts. We're not talking about Windows Live, Windows x, etc. In fact they seem to be moving away from Windows in non-OS stuff. There's Bing/MSN/Xbox for Search/Info/Entertainment, (they recently announced a relaunch of the MSN brand for instnace).

burnte 12y ago
Well, first off, I never claimed they named everything Windows. Second, As I clearly stated, I was using "Windows" in everything from the product itself to just the brand. Windows Phone is not a window oriented OS, so there we have MS tying their flagship brand to something that has nothing to do with windows. Then, as I mentioned, is the need to shove the Windows kernel into the XBox one, when the 360 demonstrated a small, lightweight, custom built OS is far superior for a gaming platform. Then we have the concept "We're going to unify PC Windows, Windows Phone, and XBox to the same kernel" which is not smart, because while the OS X BSD-based kernel is portable and extensible (and widely used in low memory devices world wide for ages), the Windows kernel was PC oriented from the go, and became less portable over time (killed Alpha support, killed MIPS support, was originally written for the N-Ten platform, the i860, another RISC architecture). They have done this for ages, with Windows CE and Windows Embedded. They ignore the question of "what is right for this niche" and just shove Windows in there somehow. Windows CE was mostly the Windows UI, regardless of the use case, and Windows Embedded is a range from a slimmed down Windows to what used to be Windows CE (meaning once again, calling it Windows has little real value, since you then need to determine what type of Windows you're dealing with). The Bing rebranding was because Windows Live Search was always a horrible name, and they wanted something short and memorable that could be verbed, like Google or Xerox. Windows Live for Games is dead because no one wanted to use it. Windows Live Mail never caught on, it was always less memorable than Hotmail or Outlook. Windows Live Essentials is now Windows Essentials. Then there's Windows Azure. Rather than coming up with a product brand for their cloud computing, they called it Windows and added a color. Granted, they've recently officially dropped Windows from the name, but it's still deeply entrenched, and commonly used even by MS still. My point stands quite well. They have too strong a focus on "Windows" as a thing that needs to be everywhere, and fail to see the value in their company brand, and in unique products.

by Eyas 12y ago

burnte 12y ago

Well, first off, I never claimed they named everything Windows. Second, As I clearly stated, I was using "Windows" in everything from the product itself to just the brand. Windows Phone is not a window oriented OS, so there we have MS tying their flagship brand to something that has nothing to do with windows. Then, as I mentioned, is the need to shove the Windows kernel into the XBox one, when the 360 demonstrated a small, lightweight, custom built OS is far superior for a gaming platform. Then we have the concept "We're going to unify PC Windows, Windows Phone, and XBox to the same kernel" which is not smart, because while the OS X BSD-based kernel is portable and extensible (and widely used in low memory devices world wide for ages), the Windows kernel was PC oriented from the go, and became less portable over time (killed Alpha support, killed MIPS support, was originally written for the N-Ten platform, the i860, another RISC architecture). They have done this for ages, with Windows CE and Windows Embedded. They ignore the question of "what is right for this niche" and just shove Windows in there somehow. Windows CE was mostly the Windows UI, regardless of the use case, and Windows Embedded is a range from a slimmed down Windows to what used to be Windows CE (meaning once again, calling it Windows has little real value, since you then need to determine what type of Windows you're dealing with). The Bing rebranding was because Windows Live Search was always a horrible name, and they wanted something short and memorable that could be verbed, like Google or Xerox. Windows Live for Games is dead because no one wanted to use it. Windows Live Mail never caught on, it was always less memorable than Hotmail or Outlook. Windows Live Essentials is now Windows Essentials. Then there's Windows Azure. Rather than coming up with a product brand for their cloud computing, they called it Windows and added a color. Granted, they've recently officially dropped Windows from the name, but it's still deeply entrenched, and commonly used even by MS still. My point stands quite well. They have too strong a focus on "Windows" as a thing that needs to be everywhere, and fail to see the value in their company brand, and in unique products.