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I can't tell you how many posts I saw exactly like yours regarding the Ice Bucket Challenge. "What good does a glorified wet t-shirt contest do?" "It's just a

by Zikes 12y ago

I can't tell you how many posts I saw exactly like yours regarding the Ice Bucket Challenge. "What good does a glorified wet t-shirt contest do?" "It's just a bunch of celebrities trying to participate in a pointless meme." "You're all just a bunch of mindless lemmings. You'll do anything for the attention." The Ice Bucket Challenge raised $111.1m as of August 19th, according to alsa.org.

Dirlewanger 12y ago
You're thinking too broad. Think about what this is: a blog post from a CDN company. Who's the main audience? Tech-savvy people. Tech-savvy people will put this on their site that's most likely for tech-savvy people (who in turn have heard of Net Neutrality and hopefully have contacted their Congressperson about it). Any people who work for companies who have substantial traffic from non-tech-savvy people most likely would not be in a position to implement this near-worthless popup. Face it, unless Google puts something up on their homepage (they won't), nothing's changing.
- wuliwong 12y ago
  Your assumption that the audience for Cloudflare's post is "tech-savvy people" is accurate but your follow-up assumption that the websites that these tech-savvy people make are "most likely" for tech-savvy people is obviously incorrect. The website I built for music. Certainly, my users need not be tech savvy to use my site. So if I installed this popup, there is a good chance of showing it to some non-tech people. I would assume that a lot of people that read HN have built products for non-tech people.
- Zikes 12y ago
  So you're saying there's nothing we can do and we should just keep our heads down and pretend nothing's wrong because there's no way we can compete with big companies and lobbying groups. Good plan, let me know how that works out.
  - icebraining 12y ago
    Saying "this is not useful" is not the same as saying "nothing is useful".
- chrischen 12y ago
  Google may not be tech savvy, but I'm sure some of the tech savvy people reading the blog probably have a wife or non-tech-savvy friend who works at Google. Lots of tech savvy people in the value know at least one or two people at Google.
droopybuns 12y ago
Is anyone else talking about the ice bucket challenge here? Net Neutraility, Bandwidth saturation & peering link negotiation is far more complicated than what is being presented by this campaign. I understand you are passionate about the Ice Bucket Challenge, but I'm afraid you have written what is called a "red herring."
- Zikes 12y ago
  You think anybody that dumped a bucket of ice on their head understands half of the medical science behind ALS? Do you think they honestly needed to? No, they only needed to recognize its importance, and then they further spread awareness and/or donated money to people more qualified than themselves to further champion the cause. Awareness is the key. Even if people don't understand exactly what it is or why, you have to put it in their face over and over until they take action, whether by inspiration or frustration.
- webXL 12y ago
  > Net Neutraility, Bandwidth saturation & peering link negotiation is far more complicated than what is being presented by this campaign. Perhaps the complexity is the problem. I'm fairly tech savvy and when I've never heard a clear explanation of the problem and the solution. There's a very clear problem with A.L.S.: if you get it, you die within a few years. It's not very hard to understand/sympathize with that.
  - Zikes 12y ago
    The clearest explanations for the problem of lack of proper net neutrality are two examples: 1. Slower internet. If companies have to pay twice as much to get a proper connection to their customers, a lot of companies won't be able to. 2. A la carte internet. Pay your ISP $5 more a month for a priority connection to Netflix. Save now with our Social Media Bundle! Only $10 a month for access to Facebook and Twitter!
    - webXL 12y ago
      1. Why don't we have this now? 2. Why should ISPs be forced to provide more bandwidth for some companies at the same price? There are already tiers of service at the consumer level. Why not at the content producer level?

by Zikes 12y ago

Dirlewanger 12y ago

You're thinking too broad. Think about what this is: a blog post from a CDN company. Who's the main audience? Tech-savvy people. Tech-savvy people will put this on their site that's most likely for tech-savvy people (who in turn have heard of Net Neutrality and hopefully have contacted their Congressperson about it). Any people who work for companies who have substantial traffic from non-tech-savvy people most likely would not be in a position to implement this near-worthless popup. Face it, unless Google puts something up on their homepage (they won't), nothing's changing.

wuliwong 12y ago
Your assumption that the audience for Cloudflare's post is "tech-savvy people" is accurate but your follow-up assumption that the websites that these tech-savvy people make are "most likely" for tech-savvy people is obviously incorrect. The website I built for music. Certainly, my users need not be tech savvy to use my site. So if I installed this popup, there is a good chance of showing it to some non-tech people. I would assume that a lot of people that read HN have built products for non-tech people.
Zikes 12y ago
So you're saying there's nothing we can do and we should just keep our heads down and pretend nothing's wrong because there's no way we can compete with big companies and lobbying groups. Good plan, let me know how that works out.
- icebraining 12y ago
  Saying "this is not useful" is not the same as saying "nothing is useful".
chrischen 12y ago
Google may not be tech savvy, but I'm sure some of the tech savvy people reading the blog probably have a wife or non-tech-savvy friend who works at Google. Lots of tech savvy people in the value know at least one or two people at Google.

droopybuns 12y ago

Is anyone else talking about the ice bucket challenge here? Net Neutraility, Bandwidth saturation & peering link negotiation is far more complicated than what is being presented by this campaign. I understand you are passionate about the Ice Bucket Challenge, but I'm afraid you have written what is called a "red herring."

Zikes 12y ago
You think anybody that dumped a bucket of ice on their head understands half of the medical science behind ALS? Do you think they honestly needed to? No, they only needed to recognize its importance, and then they further spread awareness and/or donated money to people more qualified than themselves to further champion the cause. Awareness is the key. Even if people don't understand exactly what it is or why, you have to put it in their face over and over until they take action, whether by inspiration or frustration.
webXL 12y ago
> Net Neutraility, Bandwidth saturation & peering link negotiation is far more complicated than what is being presented by this campaign. Perhaps the complexity is the problem. I'm fairly tech savvy and when I've never heard a clear explanation of the problem and the solution. There's a very clear problem with A.L.S.: if you get it, you die within a few years. It's not very hard to understand/sympathize with that.
- Zikes 12y ago
  The clearest explanations for the problem of lack of proper net neutrality are two examples: 1. Slower internet. If companies have to pay twice as much to get a proper connection to their customers, a lot of companies won't be able to. 2. A la carte internet. Pay your ISP $5 more a month for a priority connection to Netflix. Save now with our Social Media Bundle! Only $10 a month for access to Facebook and Twitter!
  - webXL 12y ago
    1. Why don't we have this now? 2. Why should ISPs be forced to provide more bandwidth for some companies at the same price? There are already tiers of service at the consumer level. Why not at the content producer level?