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What do you mean?

• wycats 12y ago
  "You’ll notice we’re using the word “GM”, not “final”. That’s because Swift will continue to advance with new features, improved performance, and refined syntax" Typically, when people say that a language "reached 1.0", they mean the very end of that process.
  • nardi 12y ago
    Ah. Well, other languages also get new features, improved performance, and refined syntax after 1.0. Are you objecting to the implication that the pace of development here will be more rapid, or an assumption that they plan on making backwards-incompatible changes?
    • wycats 12y ago
      I'm objecting to saying "we have reached 1.0" when what they really mean is "we are releasing 1.0 beta 1"
      • nardi 12y ago
        Didn't they do that already back in June?
  • _pmf_ 12y ago
    > Typically, when people say that a language "reached 1.0", they mean the very end of that process. That's wrong for practically all cases I know of (Java, C#, Python, Perl).
  • pjmlp 12y ago
    Only when languages die.
  • Xixi 12y ago
    If Apple does it correctly, 1.0 means that there will be no backward incompatibilities until a hypothetical version 2.0. As a user of a not yet 1.0 language (Elixir, though it has reached release candidate status), backward incompatibilities can be a pain to deal with. The reason: third-party libraries that may or may not be updated, more or less quickly. And yet it's absolutely necessary to get things right while you design the language, because every single mistake will be carried forward practically forever: see Python 3 as to why it's really hard to fix a language...
  • vor_ 12y ago
    I wasn't aware that hitting 1.0 means all development ceases.