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Unlikely, Clojure is very much its own thing, won't draw those that are drawn to Scala (rich type system, (G)ADTs, performance, etc.). That branch of potential

Unlikely, Clojure is very much its own thing, won't draw those that are drawn to Scala (rich type system, (G)ADTs, performance, etc.). That branch of potential adoption is minisicule anyway (even compared to Scala which relative to Java is itself tiny). So, the elephant in the room is indeed Java 8. Will Scala at long last be killed? Perhaps, but highly unlikely, Scala lives and dies on its ecosystem (Akka, Play, Spark, Spire, Spray, etc.) which are seeing ever increasing enterprise adoption. If anything Java 8 and the JVM improvements made and coming will aid all languages on the JVM that are different enough from Java 8+, which Scala, Ceylon, and of course, Clojure, are. The only JVM language made vulnerable by Java 8 is, IMO, Kotlin.

pps 12y ago
Clojure is becoming increasingly popular in banks in the UK. (as I heard from trusted person)
- seanmcdirmid 12y ago
  What's up with the UK? Scala is also becoming increasingly popular in banks in the UK (as I heard from trusted persons). CLOS, Smalltalk, and Objective C (before it was cool) were for a long time very popular on Wallstreet.
  - seanmcdirmid 12y ago
    Supposedly, Haskell and F# are also big in UK banks. Wow.
    - ckarmann 12y ago
      For what it worth, this website ranks the popularity of some keywords in UK's IT job ads: http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/ http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/ Bank jobs are a big part of UK's IT jobs. There is a category "Programming Language", in which you can see Scala and Clojure has taken steam since 2010, even if interest in Clojure seems to have waned a bit this year (and now it trails COBOL or Delphi). Interestingly, the salary advertised for Scala and Clojure jobs are also larger than for the more popular programming languages.
  - julian_t 12y ago
    Yep… I can say from personal experience that Scala and Clojure are becoming popular in the financial world. There seem to be several drivers: the FP part appeals to the algo guys, immutability is attractive when looking at concurrency, and they can interop with the extensive existing Java codebase easier than some of the alternatives.

pps 12y ago

Clojure is becoming increasingly popular in banks in the UK. (as I heard from trusted person)

seanmcdirmid 12y ago
What's up with the UK? Scala is also becoming increasingly popular in banks in the UK (as I heard from trusted persons). CLOS, Smalltalk, and Objective C (before it was cool) were for a long time very popular on Wallstreet.
- seanmcdirmid 12y ago
  Supposedly, Haskell and F# are also big in UK banks. Wow.
  - ckarmann 12y ago
    For what it worth, this website ranks the popularity of some keywords in UK's IT job ads: http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/ http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/ Bank jobs are a big part of UK's IT jobs. There is a category "Programming Language", in which you can see Scala and Clojure has taken steam since 2010, even if interest in Clojure seems to have waned a bit this year (and now it trails COBOL or Delphi). Interestingly, the salary advertised for Scala and Clojure jobs are also larger than for the more popular programming languages.
- julian_t 12y ago
  Yep… I can say from personal experience that Scala and Clojure are becoming popular in the financial world. There seem to be several drivers: the FP part appeals to the algo guys, immutability is attractive when looking at concurrency, and they can interop with the extensive existing Java codebase easier than some of the alternatives.