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"I work in the drug industry. Trust me," Sorry.

by harry8 12y ago

collyw 12y ago
I accidentally upvoted you with a fat finger. Come on this is a crap argument. I work in academic science. The irrational paranoia that the many people have about scientists is unbelievable. Many seem to think that researchers are in it for the money.
- harry8 12y ago
  Feel free to downvote, or better yet comment as you did in the proper spirit. The drug industry has earned its reputation. Skepticism is the proper response. "I work in xx. Trust me" is pretty weak at the best of times but as ever, falsifiable evidence trumps argument from authority.
- nodata 12y ago
  Nobody thinks researchers are in it for the money. The people that pay the researchers on the other hand...
- ibisum 12y ago
  I think the irrational paranoia about scientists is that they are too often wrong, long before they should have stepped back from the ledge. By 'wrong', I mean, scientists manage to produce things in the world which get entirely mis-used by the masses, too often. So there is a direct responsibility for the massive amount of mis-control/mis-use of the sciences - in any field, not just drugs/pharmacology - and this responsibility needs to be taken seriously. Oxy addiction paid for a lot of peoples paychecks. Blaming it all on the 'masses inability to control themselves' is an argument which most scientists must make, properly, before they unleash their products on the world markets. If it is made after the fact of catastrophy, instead of before, then we - who distrust scientists - inherit the problem.
- Tloewald 12y ago
  It's not like there are huge numbers of researchers involved. There are climate scientists who argue against global warming. Coincidentally their research is underwritten by fossil fuel companies. It's not researchers in general, it's the weird outliers who coincidentally are being underwritten by vested interests.
- fnordfnordfnord 12y ago
  Who said the poster was a researcher, and if s/he is then what makes you think that researchers have anything to do with high-level corporate strategy.
hga 12y ago
It's worth pointing out that the drug industry has already brought both THC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol#Marinol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol#Marinol and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabilone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabilone) and CBD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol) and both (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabiximols https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabiximols) to market as official, legal drugs. (UPDATED and corrected to four drugs, including the new to me one with both.) Another update: here's a nice table of all the drugs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis#Pharmacologic_products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis#Pharmacologic...
- Tloewald 12y ago
  In formulations they can patent and charge arbitrary prices for.
  - hga 12y ago
    And you see no value in knowing exactly what you're getting or prescribing? E.g. per Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol#CBD-enhanced_cannabis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol#CBD-enhanced_canna...): "Decades ago, selective breeding by growers in US dramatically lowered the CBD content of cannabis; their customers preferred varietals that were more mind-altering due to a higher THC, lower CBD content. To meet the demands of medical cannabis patients, growers are currently developing more CBD-rich strains." This is a major reason to prefer pharmaceuticals over the original raw herb, who's concentrations and additional and potentially unwanted active ingredients varies from plant to plant.
    - Tloewald 12y ago
      It's more important if you need to be prescribed something. I need to eat fruit and vegetables to live, and the value of their being exactly formulated is negligible. Marijuana is hard to OD on and doesn't cause long term liver damage when used at reasonable levels for extended periods (which opiates do). Prescriptions aren't necessary.

"I work in the drug industry. Trust me," Sorry.

by harry8 12y ago

"I work in the drug industry. Trust me," Sorry.

I accidentally upvoted you with a fat finger. Come on this is a crap argument. I work in academic science. The irrational paranoia that the many people have about scientists is unbelievable. Many seem to think that researchers are in it for the money.

harry8 12y ago
Feel free to downvote, or better yet comment as you did in the proper spirit. The drug industry has earned its reputation. Skepticism is the proper response. "I work in xx. Trust me" is pretty weak at the best of times but as ever, falsifiable evidence trumps argument from authority.
nodata 12y ago
Nobody thinks researchers are in it for the money. The people that pay the researchers on the other hand...
ibisum 12y ago
I think the irrational paranoia about scientists is that they are too often wrong, long before they should have stepped back from the ledge. By 'wrong', I mean, scientists manage to produce things in the world which get entirely mis-used by the masses, too often. So there is a direct responsibility for the massive amount of mis-control/mis-use of the sciences - in any field, not just drugs/pharmacology - and this responsibility needs to be taken seriously. Oxy addiction paid for a lot of peoples paychecks. Blaming it all on the 'masses inability to control themselves' is an argument which most scientists must make, properly, before they unleash their products on the world markets. If it is made after the fact of catastrophy, instead of before, then we - who distrust scientists - inherit the problem.
Tloewald 12y ago
It's not like there are huge numbers of researchers involved. There are climate scientists who argue against global warming. Coincidentally their research is underwritten by fossil fuel companies. It's not researchers in general, it's the weird outliers who coincidentally are being underwritten by vested interests.
fnordfnordfnord 12y ago
Who said the poster was a researcher, and if s/he is then what makes you think that researchers have anything to do with high-level corporate strategy.

hga 12y ago

It's worth pointing out that the drug industry has already brought both THC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol#Marinol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol#Marinol and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabilone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabilone) and CBD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol) and both (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabiximols https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabiximols) to market as official, legal drugs. (UPDATED and corrected to four drugs, including the new to me one with both.) Another update: here's a nice table of all the drugs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis#Pharmacologic_products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis#Pharmacologic...

Tloewald 12y ago
In formulations they can patent and charge arbitrary prices for.
- hga 12y ago
  And you see no value in knowing exactly what you're getting or prescribing? E.g. per Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol#CBD-enhanced_cannabis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol#CBD-enhanced_canna...): "Decades ago, selective breeding by growers in US dramatically lowered the CBD content of cannabis; their customers preferred varietals that were more mind-altering due to a higher THC, lower CBD content. To meet the demands of medical cannabis patients, growers are currently developing more CBD-rich strains." This is a major reason to prefer pharmaceuticals over the original raw herb, who's concentrations and additional and potentially unwanted active ingredients varies from plant to plant.
  - Tloewald 12y ago
    It's more important if you need to be prescribed something. I need to eat fruit and vegetables to live, and the value of their being exactly formulated is negligible. Marijuana is hard to OD on and doesn't cause long term liver damage when used at reasonable levels for extended periods (which opiates do). Prescriptions aren't necessary.