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I did not understand it then and am still confused. What is this supposed to be - a new workflow? a new UI? a new paradigm to do something? Every discussion or

by yalogin 12y ago

I did not understand it then and am still confused. What is this supposed to be - a new workflow? a new UI? a new paradigm to do something? Every discussion or webpage I see about this talks about mail. Is it applicable to any other application?

jaimeyap 12y ago
The end game I think for sandstorm is the equivalent of a rich AppStore/Marketplace for web apps and web services. Instead of installing an App on your phone. You would install some service on a personal server. Without needing to be a technical person who understands configuring servers. And for technical users, you can have one-click installs for apps that you know are secure, sandboxed against your other apps and more. And for App writers, you have an API surface area that makes it easy to do authentication, sharing, etc... There are lots of things to like here. And a lot of opportunity given how much richer an experience an actual persistent web server can offer over a traditional client app install. (I am not affiliated with Sandstorm. Just dig the vision, and think that Kenton and his crew are pretty awesome engineers who can pull it off.) Edit: Re-reading your post, I think you might have been talking about Wave and not Sandstorm :). Whoops. My bad :P.
wmf 12y ago
I saw Wave as a wiki that's real-time. Whether wikis benefit from being real-time is an open question.
- yeukhon 12y ago
  To me that's what IRC is for. You need a structure in Wave to make it useful as a realtime wiki. That's what etherpad is for and people then copy and paste the content into a wiki page later(etherpad is not good for continuous editing FYI so you should never edit the same Etherpad every day. It's a great way for realtime collaboration but ephemeral. You can also use Google Docs too).
  - ytjohn 12y ago
    Google Wave was actually inspired by EtherPad and Google ended up purchasing AppJet so that they could have the EtherPad engineers work on Wave.
kentonv 12y ago
As I mentioned in the blog post, one use case for Wave that I personally find compelling is design discussions. If I post a design proposal (e.g. for a new Sandstorm feature) as a Wave, people can comment on individual pieces without the discussion turning into a mess. Wave is really just a different kind of real-time collaborative document editing that extends documents into discussions rather than just flat blobs of text.
vanderZwan 12y ago
From what I recall, a few of my friends actively used it back in the day at work, and they claimed it was fantastic for remote collaborations.
- viraptor 12y ago
  I used it for 2 projects at uni and enjoyed it a lot. Then it slowed down so much it was unbearable and we couldn't really discover how far the improvements go. Maybe it would get a better response from general public if the modern browsers / js engines were available then.
- rodgerd 12y ago
  Wave was also incredibly popular for doing pencil-and-paper RPGs online.
skybrian 12y ago
If you're asking what Wave is, you can think of it as collaborative document sharing and commenting (like Google Docs) but with a different document type that supports threaded discussions similar to many online forums. Wave also had its own email-like inbox for reading updated documents, and was marketed as improved email but it never really worked well for that. These days I use Google Docs with commenting enabled for the sort of thing we used Wave for.
- api 12y ago
  Not necessarily dissing Wave, but when I first saw it years ago (when it was a Google product) my first thought was "this is like 4chan enterprise!" :)
  - walterbell 12y ago
    What did Wave have in common with 4chan?

by yalogin 12y ago

jaimeyap 12y ago

The end game I think for sandstorm is the equivalent of a rich AppStore/Marketplace for web apps and web services. Instead of installing an App on your phone. You would install some service on a personal server. Without needing to be a technical person who understands configuring servers. And for technical users, you can have one-click installs for apps that you know are secure, sandboxed against your other apps and more. And for App writers, you have an API surface area that makes it easy to do authentication, sharing, etc... There are lots of things to like here. And a lot of opportunity given how much richer an experience an actual persistent web server can offer over a traditional client app install. (I am not affiliated with Sandstorm. Just dig the vision, and think that Kenton and his crew are pretty awesome engineers who can pull it off.) Edit: Re-reading your post, I think you might have been talking about Wave and not Sandstorm :). Whoops. My bad :P.

wmf 12y ago

I saw Wave as a wiki that's real-time. Whether wikis benefit from being real-time is an open question.

yeukhon 12y ago
To me that's what IRC is for. You need a structure in Wave to make it useful as a realtime wiki. That's what etherpad is for and people then copy and paste the content into a wiki page later(etherpad is not good for continuous editing FYI so you should never edit the same Etherpad every day. It's a great way for realtime collaboration but ephemeral. You can also use Google Docs too).
- ytjohn 12y ago
  Google Wave was actually inspired by EtherPad and Google ended up purchasing AppJet so that they could have the EtherPad engineers work on Wave.

kentonv 12y ago

As I mentioned in the blog post, one use case for Wave that I personally find compelling is design discussions. If I post a design proposal (e.g. for a new Sandstorm feature) as a Wave, people can comment on individual pieces without the discussion turning into a mess. Wave is really just a different kind of real-time collaborative document editing that extends documents into discussions rather than just flat blobs of text.

vanderZwan 12y ago

From what I recall, a few of my friends actively used it back in the day at work, and they claimed it was fantastic for remote collaborations.

viraptor 12y ago
I used it for 2 projects at uni and enjoyed it a lot. Then it slowed down so much it was unbearable and we couldn't really discover how far the improvements go. Maybe it would get a better response from general public if the modern browsers / js engines were available then.
rodgerd 12y ago
Wave was also incredibly popular for doing pencil-and-paper RPGs online.

skybrian 12y ago

If you're asking what Wave is, you can think of it as collaborative document sharing and commenting (like Google Docs) but with a different document type that supports threaded discussions similar to many online forums. Wave also had its own email-like inbox for reading updated documents, and was marketed as improved email but it never really worked well for that. These days I use Google Docs with commenting enabled for the sort of thing we used Wave for.

api 12y ago
Not necessarily dissing Wave, but when I first saw it years ago (when it was a Google product) my first thought was "this is like 4chan enterprise!" :)
- walterbell 12y ago
  What did Wave have in common with 4chan?