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I completely agree with what you say. Sublime is awesome and I don't mind paying money for closed-source software. What I do mind is, that the development seems

by sqren 12y ago

I completely agree with what you say. Sublime is awesome and I don't mind paying money for closed-source software. What I do mind is, that the development seems to have stopped, and being closed-source nobody can move it forward but the original maintainer. It once again brings attention to the most important "bus factor" [0] [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor

frou_dh 12y ago
The funny thing being that the impetus for a lot of people moving to Sublime in the first place was that happening to TextMate 1.
- bloke_zero 12y ago
  I'm pretty happy with TextMate 2 at this point - pretty regular updates, mature eco system, continuous improvement and its open source.
  - atmosx 12y ago
    The TM2 phenomenon is something weird. TM had a huge traction when it was payware. Then it stalled, then it went open-source and everybody started looking for a new payware solution. Apparently some people, still believe the theory that all you need to know about a product is on the price tag, which is absolutely false (e.g. emacs/vim have no price but are exceptional programmig editors, hardly matched by payware solutions). Anyway, it's good to have choices.
    - frou_dh 12y ago
      By my memory, the looking-for-an-alternative phase began long before the surprise open-sourcing.
    - yoklov 12y ago
      I don't think anyone saw the open source version coming. Development had totally halted for several years before that happened.
    - jonstewart 12y ago
      I switched to Sublime because it was far faster and had the killer feature of offering a consistent UI between Linux, MacOS X, and Windows.
    - dragonwriter 12y ago
      > TM had a huge traction when it was payware. Then it stalled, then it went open-source and everybody started looking for a new payware solution. IIRC -- and I was never a TM user but was following it from the outside -- search for a TM replacement started before the open-sourcing; once TM became popular, people started looking for a cross-platform equivalent (because even lots of people who are primarily OSX users don't do all their editing there) and as the perceptions was that development was stalling, an even more people were searching for alternatives. The open-sourcing was sometime after that. I don't think ST has been adopted because it is payware (that is, I don't think a significant force in its adoption is a preference for paid over free software), I think its been widely adopted because its features well match what a lot of people are looking for in an editor, and they are willing to pay for it.
  - emehrkay 12y ago
    We need split window/panes and TM2 would be perfect for me.
felixrabe 12y ago
Development has not stopped, there were some distractions to the developer. For the July 2014 status update, see http://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16517 http://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16517
- unfamiliar 12y ago
  While this is encouraging, I've heard it several times over the last year, and commits would speak louder than words in terms of commitment. Here is another post from March: https://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15477&start=50#p58951 https://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15477&...
Keyframe 12y ago
If he doesn't want to/can't continue with development, he can always pull off what Blender did. Start a campaign to raise a certain amount of money and release source after raising it.
craigc 12y ago
I'm pretty curious about what new features you are looking for in Sublime. I spend more time in Sublime Text than pretty much any other application. I understand the idea that "development may have stopped", but there are not any glaring bugs, sublime text 3 is super fast, and there is a huge community building sublime plugins. The editor was built in such a way where it allows the entire community to keep moving it forward even if the original developer has moved onto other things, and I happen to think that is great. I'm not sure that editors like vi and emacs receive regular updates. It seems that emacs releases can have up to 2 years between versions, and I can't find the last time that vi was updated. Those do have the advantage of being open sourced, but unless there are glaring holes in Sublime then I don't see this as a big problem. Besides all that it DOES look as though there are plans for the future of Sublime as someone mentioned in a forum post on here. If it is true that development has been focused on improving the payment system for purchasing Sublime then I am all for that.
- oblio 12y ago
  Both Emacs and Vim are updated regularly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Emacs#Release_history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Emacs#Release_history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vim_%28text_editor%29#Release_history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vim_%28text_editor%29#Release_h... In between major releases they have tons and tons of bug fixes (Vim probably has hundreds per release). Editors can suffer a lot from code rot since they have to integrate with a lot of things. An Open Source version could be quite interesting from Sublime's community point of view. I don't know about the developer's income while this happens, though.
  - usaphp 12y ago
    Looking at the links you posted - vim is updated once every 3-4 years, emacs - once a year. Looking at sublime text release log (http://www.sublimetext.com/blog/ http://www.sublimetext.com/blog/) it's been updated much more often than emacs and vim combined.
    - johnwalker 12y ago

by sqren 12y ago

frou_dh 12y ago

The funny thing being that the impetus for a lot of people moving to Sublime in the first place was that happening to TextMate 1.

bloke_zero 12y ago
I'm pretty happy with TextMate 2 at this point - pretty regular updates, mature eco system, continuous improvement and its open source.
- atmosx 12y ago
  The TM2 phenomenon is something weird. TM had a huge traction when it was payware. Then it stalled, then it went open-source and everybody started looking for a new payware solution. Apparently some people, still believe the theory that all you need to know about a product is on the price tag, which is absolutely false (e.g. emacs/vim have no price but are exceptional programmig editors, hardly matched by payware solutions). Anyway, it's good to have choices.
  - frou_dh 12y ago
    By my memory, the looking-for-an-alternative phase began long before the surprise open-sourcing.
  - yoklov 12y ago
    I don't think anyone saw the open source version coming. Development had totally halted for several years before that happened.
  - jonstewart 12y ago
    I switched to Sublime because it was far faster and had the killer feature of offering a consistent UI between Linux, MacOS X, and Windows.
  - dragonwriter 12y ago
    > TM had a huge traction when it was payware. Then it stalled, then it went open-source and everybody started looking for a new payware solution. IIRC -- and I was never a TM user but was following it from the outside -- search for a TM replacement started before the open-sourcing; once TM became popular, people started looking for a cross-platform equivalent (because even lots of people who are primarily OSX users don't do all their editing there) and as the perceptions was that development was stalling, an even more people were searching for alternatives. The open-sourcing was sometime after that. I don't think ST has been adopted because it is payware (that is, I don't think a significant force in its adoption is a preference for paid over free software), I think its been widely adopted because its features well match what a lot of people are looking for in an editor, and they are willing to pay for it.
- emehrkay 12y ago
  We need split window/panes and TM2 would be perfect for me.

felixrabe 12y ago

Development has not stopped, there were some distractions to the developer. For the July 2014 status update, see http://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16517 http://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16517

unfamiliar 12y ago
While this is encouraging, I've heard it several times over the last year, and commits would speak louder than words in terms of commitment. Here is another post from March: https://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15477&start=50#p58951 https://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15477&...

Keyframe 12y ago

If he doesn't want to/can't continue with development, he can always pull off what Blender did. Start a campaign to raise a certain amount of money and release source after raising it.

craigc 12y ago

I'm pretty curious about what new features you are looking for in Sublime. I spend more time in Sublime Text than pretty much any other application. I understand the idea that "development may have stopped", but there are not any glaring bugs, sublime text 3 is super fast, and there is a huge community building sublime plugins. The editor was built in such a way where it allows the entire community to keep moving it forward even if the original developer has moved onto other things, and I happen to think that is great. I'm not sure that editors like vi and emacs receive regular updates. It seems that emacs releases can have up to 2 years between versions, and I can't find the last time that vi was updated. Those do have the advantage of being open sourced, but unless there are glaring holes in Sublime then I don't see this as a big problem. Besides all that it DOES look as though there are plans for the future of Sublime as someone mentioned in a forum post on here. If it is true that development has been focused on improving the payment system for purchasing Sublime then I am all for that.

oblio 12y ago
Both Emacs and Vim are updated regularly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Emacs#Release_history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Emacs#Release_history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vim_%28text_editor%29#Release_history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vim_%28text_editor%29#Release_h... In between major releases they have tons and tons of bug fixes (Vim probably has hundreds per release). Editors can suffer a lot from code rot since they have to integrate with a lot of things. An Open Source version could be quite interesting from Sublime's community point of view. I don't know about the developer's income while this happens, though.
- usaphp 12y ago
  Looking at the links you posted - vim is updated once every 3-4 years, emacs - once a year. Looking at sublime text release log (http://www.sublimetext.com/blog/ http://www.sublimetext.com/blog/) it's been updated much more often than emacs and vim combined.
  - johnwalker 12y ago