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Not really surprising since I believe IBM already uses Lotus Notes for email. Office is just the next logical step. Anecdotally I haven't heard very good thing

by mustpax 17y ago

Not really surprising since I believe IBM already uses Lotus Notes for email. Office is just the next logical step. Anecdotally I haven't heard very good things about Lotus Notes though. (http://search.twitter.com/search?q=hate+lotus http://search.twitter.com/search?q=hate+lotus) So I wish all IBMers the best of luck with the transition.

nradov 17y ago
You can try Lotus Notes/Domino for free and see for yourself. http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/notesanddomino/testdrive.html http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/notesanddomino/testdriv... Most of the complaints come from those who have only used older versions (which did have poor usability), or companies where incompetent sysadmins didn't set it up correctly.
- philwelch 17y ago
  I can't speak to the competence of my employer's sysadmins, but Lotus Notes, as an email client and calendaring system, is pure dogshit. I've read justifications of Notes as being some kind of architecture-astronauty groupware application platform, but my company has just about zero useful applications for it, and in the meantime, the fucking thing drags down our email like none other.
  - nradov 17y ago
    What specific problems have you had with it? I'm part of IBM's design partner program, and they actually do take feedback from us seriously.
xsmasher 17y ago
Snarky comments: "Lotus Notes is what the web would look like if it were design by committee." Pithy comments: Notes Mail and Calendar consistently fails at the tasks of notifying you when you have new mail or a scheduled meeting, two essential tasks for mail and calendar software. The last time I developed for it the back end pretended to be a database, but it is not relational and does not allow arbitrary queries. It also claims to support HTML in email and other documents, but its rendering was bizarre and arbitrary, and its support for CSS was almost non-existent.
- cturner 17y ago
  A former housemate started a relationship with a cute girl. Of course, when non-geeks are around conversation must veer wildly away from anything in the field. But he said that she might be a bit geeky herself. Conversation turned towards computing when she was over a bit later on, and I let it go there. Said housemate and I were having an enormous bitch about Lotus Notes from shared work experience. She wore on a sour expression, and I thought my instincts had been shown right. But then it came out that she was a self-taught Domino developer, and had a web application with tens of thousands of users hosted off it, built on Domino - something she'd just done as a hobby. Now what are the odds of that?
- nradov 17y ago
  Not every database needs to be relational. Some applications, such as e-mail and groupware, are better suited to the document database built in to Domino. If you want to run arbitrary queries that can be done easily using the full-text query language, or with the free NotesSQL add-on.
RyanMcGreal 17y ago
Canonical URL: http://www.ihatelotusnotes.com/ http://www.ihatelotusnotes.com/

by mustpax 17y ago

nradov 17y ago

You can try Lotus Notes/Domino for free and see for yourself. http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/notesanddomino/testdrive.html http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/notesanddomino/testdriv... Most of the complaints come from those who have only used older versions (which did have poor usability), or companies where incompetent sysadmins didn't set it up correctly.

philwelch 17y ago
I can't speak to the competence of my employer's sysadmins, but Lotus Notes, as an email client and calendaring system, is pure dogshit. I've read justifications of Notes as being some kind of architecture-astronauty groupware application platform, but my company has just about zero useful applications for it, and in the meantime, the fucking thing drags down our email like none other.
- nradov 17y ago
  What specific problems have you had with it? I'm part of IBM's design partner program, and they actually do take feedback from us seriously.

xsmasher 17y ago

Snarky comments: "Lotus Notes is what the web would look like if it were design by committee." Pithy comments: Notes Mail and Calendar consistently fails at the tasks of notifying you when you have new mail or a scheduled meeting, two essential tasks for mail and calendar software. The last time I developed for it the back end pretended to be a database, but it is not relational and does not allow arbitrary queries. It also claims to support HTML in email and other documents, but its rendering was bizarre and arbitrary, and its support for CSS was almost non-existent.

cturner 17y ago
A former housemate started a relationship with a cute girl. Of course, when non-geeks are around conversation must veer wildly away from anything in the field. But he said that she might be a bit geeky herself. Conversation turned towards computing when she was over a bit later on, and I let it go there. Said housemate and I were having an enormous bitch about Lotus Notes from shared work experience. She wore on a sour expression, and I thought my instincts had been shown right. But then it came out that she was a self-taught Domino developer, and had a web application with tens of thousands of users hosted off it, built on Domino - something she'd just done as a hobby. Now what are the odds of that?
nradov 17y ago
Not every database needs to be relational. Some applications, such as e-mail and groupware, are better suited to the document database built in to Domino. If you want to run arbitrary queries that can be done easily using the full-text query language, or with the free NotesSQL add-on.

RyanMcGreal 17y ago

Canonical URL: http://www.ihatelotusnotes.com/ http://www.ihatelotusnotes.com/