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Working for 6-7 years for the same employer is now considered "grinding away"??

by blutoot 12y ago

derefr 12y ago
Sure; mostly because that's seven years where you have no chance of getting a "horizontal promotion" by switching employers. Meaning, then, that your career trajectory is completely at your employer's whim--which usually means "stagnant."
acdha 12y ago
Just to second derefr's point, that's 6+ years where you MUST stay at that job and your employer knows they don't have to keep you happy. I've heard more than a few stories about this being publicly discussed when deciding who works on some unrewarding slog. Imagine spending the better part of a decade knowing that if you want to do more than, say, Sharepoint upgrades you'll have to do it in your own time.
- parennoob 12y ago
  To be fair, it is possible to change jobs when your application is ongoing. Just tedious. Tedious enough to be a strong disincentive.
  - blutoot 12y ago
    Can anyone realistically make a meaningful impact in a big company in less than 6 years, especially when one is just starting out in the industry? Also isn't it only fair that if a company that's gonna spend all this money on changing your fortunes forever (i.e. sponsor your green card), then it should be able to get as much value out of you as it can? So the burden falls kinda on the employee to make the best of that period and propel her career.
    - parennoob 12y ago
      Leaving aside the somewhat patronizing nature of your comment ("can anyone make a meaningful impact in < 6 years", "changing your fortunes forever"), I'm simply glad there is more choice for employees out there regarding who to work for, and am advising people to take a hard look at it. If I work my ass off for 1, 4, or 6 years, I would much rather it be for an optimal outcome, regardless of who my employer is, or where they are located. If Canada is possibly offering a better deal, people should know about, and look seriously at them. This might even possibly lead to happier and more productive employees. Don't you agree?
blutoot 12y ago
Wow - this deserved a downvote?
- adventured 12y ago
  You got down voted because it's the context of the 6-7 years, not the duration that matters.
  - blutoot 12y ago
    And it's perfectly fine to disagree on that context. Using that as a reason to downvote a comment is pretty much an abuse of your downvoting power. But carry on.

Working for 6-7 years for the same employer is now considered "grinding away"??

by blutoot 12y ago

Working for 6-7 years for the same employer is now considered "grinding away"??

Sure; mostly because that's seven years where you have no chance of getting a "horizontal promotion" by switching employers. Meaning, then, that your career trajectory is completely at your employer's whim--which usually means "stagnant."

acdha 12y ago

Just to second derefr's point, that's 6+ years where you MUST stay at that job and your employer knows they don't have to keep you happy. I've heard more than a few stories about this being publicly discussed when deciding who works on some unrewarding slog. Imagine spending the better part of a decade knowing that if you want to do more than, say, Sharepoint upgrades you'll have to do it in your own time.

parennoob 12y ago
To be fair, it is possible to change jobs when your application is ongoing. Just tedious. Tedious enough to be a strong disincentive.
- blutoot 12y ago
  Can anyone realistically make a meaningful impact in a big company in less than 6 years, especially when one is just starting out in the industry? Also isn't it only fair that if a company that's gonna spend all this money on changing your fortunes forever (i.e. sponsor your green card), then it should be able to get as much value out of you as it can? So the burden falls kinda on the employee to make the best of that period and propel her career.
  - parennoob 12y ago
    Leaving aside the somewhat patronizing nature of your comment ("can anyone make a meaningful impact in < 6 years", "changing your fortunes forever"), I'm simply glad there is more choice for employees out there regarding who to work for, and am advising people to take a hard look at it. If I work my ass off for 1, 4, or 6 years, I would much rather it be for an optimal outcome, regardless of who my employer is, or where they are located. If Canada is possibly offering a better deal, people should know about, and look seriously at them. This might even possibly lead to happier and more productive employees. Don't you agree?

blutoot 12y ago

Wow - this deserved a downvote?

adventured 12y ago
You got down voted because it's the context of the 6-7 years, not the duration that matters.
- blutoot 12y ago
  And it's perfectly fine to disagree on that context. Using that as a reason to downvote a comment is pretty much an abuse of your downvoting power. But carry on.