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I don't understand why people are allowed to let their pets roam free. I grew up fishing feral cats out of places they weren't supposed to be, and it drove me c

by timr 12y ago

I don't understand why people are allowed to let their pets roam free. I grew up fishing feral cats out of places they weren't supposed to be, and it drove me crazy that people would just let their un-spayed, un-neutered cats wander around to become their neighbors' vicious little problems. Even if your kitty is fixed, she's plenty destructive to the local wildlife, not to mention a disease risk when she gets in fights with raccoons and other animals that carry rabies. Dogs aren't allowed to run free, and cats shouldn't be, either.

sjtrny 12y ago
Because most of the time they hang around the house. If you read the article and watch the video they say that a small minority go exploring. Most people also keep them inside at night. Furthermore since they are generally fed well by owners they have diminished interest in hunting. Keep in mind that dogs are locked up because they are usually a lot larger than cats and can attack people. It also helps that they aren't as good at jumping and climbing as cats. If dogs could jump and climb like cats then people wouldn't own them as pets.
- Pxtl 12y ago
  Also because dogs don't have the decency to bury their poop. I've never had to scrape cat crap off of my stroller. There are more cats in my neighborhood than dogs, there are laws demanding that dog owners clean up their poop, but still I keep getting dog poop on my kids' stuff.
  - coryl 12y ago
    Question: where are you letting your dog poop?
    - Pxtl 12y ago
      Don't have one.
- timr 12y ago
  ...and yet, clearly, enough roam that it becomes a problem. I have the scars to prove it. In any case, all of those things apply to dogs, as well, but we're not allowed to let our pet dogs roam.
  - sillysaurus3 12y ago
    Easy solution: live somewhere where it's illegal. But it's perhaps misguided to feel everyone in the same country should agree with you, especially those who are following the law.
  - sjtrny 12y ago
    Yes but dogs can attack strangers that encroach on their territory. That's why they need to be fenced. Cats can't really do the same to a human.
    - timr 12y ago
      My direct experience trumps your theory. Cats can do plenty to attack people when they feel threatened.
Zancarius 12y ago
> it drove me crazy that people would just let their un-spayed, un-neutered cats wander around to become their neighbors' vicious little problems. This drives me insane, too. We've got some neighbors who apparently refuse to neuter their cats, and therefore they tend to wander and are highly aggressive. I suspect they're also not inoculated, and more curiously in my state (of the US), all domestic animals must at least be inoculated against rabies--so if their cats were to bite someone, they could face substantial fines. I'd imagine they aren't aware of this. (They've also had a number of dogs that have turned aggressive, gotten hit by cars, and have presented themselves as a neighborhood nuisance, so it's not the animals fault... some people just shouldn't have pets). The other problem is that I suspect they got the cats to keep local rodent populations down, but then they reason that the rodents should augment much of the cats' diets, so they feed them very infrequently (and thus, they tend to roam looking for food). According to local lore, resident snowbirds who move around for 3-6 months out of the year tend to get cats for this reason, then leave them behind when they depart for seasonal reasons under the assumption the cats will be there when they return. Often, they're not. Sigh.
Houshalter 12y ago
Not everyone lives in a densely populated area where it's a problem. Or where rabies is a problem for that matter. Although I don't really see the issue. Cats are really harmless and tend to stay close to home. They have been roaming free around human settlements for thousands of years.
JoeAltmaier 12y ago
Cats are not domesticated in the same way dogs are. There is a wide genetic variance in cats, coming from hundreds or thousands of local strains. Dogs are two or three main groups, bred over 1000's of years to make the kinds we see today. Why does that matter? Well, cats are not always let free; sometimes they've always been there. Feral cats can be the ones that nobody has tamed yet. As for 'destructive', that's how nature works. You might prefer the doves, but the kitty has her own ideas and they're not vicious little problems, they're behaving as god intended. Now I'm not sure if cats were native to North America, so there it might be negligence. But consider the parrots of San Francisco, living in large groups in the parks. Parrots are expensive; probably they are descended from those that escaped out an open window. Nobody intended for them to roam free, they did that on their own.
- agapos 12y ago
  > Cats are not domesticated in the same way dogs are. There is a wide genetic variance in cats, coming from hundreds or thousands of local strains. Dogs are two or three main groups, bred over 1000's of years to make the kinds we see today. Also, count in the fact that dogs (and formerly wolves) were living in packs, but cats did not, and this is still in their genes. Dogs are used to, and more willing to obey someone considered the pack leader, while cats retained most of loner traits even after domestication.

by timr 12y ago

sjtrny 12y ago

Because most of the time they hang around the house. If you read the article and watch the video they say that a small minority go exploring. Most people also keep them inside at night. Furthermore since they are generally fed well by owners they have diminished interest in hunting. Keep in mind that dogs are locked up because they are usually a lot larger than cats and can attack people. It also helps that they aren't as good at jumping and climbing as cats. If dogs could jump and climb like cats then people wouldn't own them as pets.

Pxtl 12y ago
Also because dogs don't have the decency to bury their poop. I've never had to scrape cat crap off of my stroller. There are more cats in my neighborhood than dogs, there are laws demanding that dog owners clean up their poop, but still I keep getting dog poop on my kids' stuff.
- coryl 12y ago
  Question: where are you letting your dog poop?
  - Pxtl 12y ago
    Don't have one.
timr 12y ago
...and yet, clearly, enough roam that it becomes a problem. I have the scars to prove it. In any case, all of those things apply to dogs, as well, but we're not allowed to let our pet dogs roam.
- sillysaurus3 12y ago
  Easy solution: live somewhere where it's illegal. But it's perhaps misguided to feel everyone in the same country should agree with you, especially those who are following the law.
- sjtrny 12y ago
  Yes but dogs can attack strangers that encroach on their territory. That's why they need to be fenced. Cats can't really do the same to a human.
  - timr 12y ago
    My direct experience trumps your theory. Cats can do plenty to attack people when they feel threatened.

Zancarius 12y ago

> it drove me crazy that people would just let their un-spayed, un-neutered cats wander around to become their neighbors' vicious little problems. This drives me insane, too. We've got some neighbors who apparently refuse to neuter their cats, and therefore they tend to wander and are highly aggressive. I suspect they're also not inoculated, and more curiously in my state (of the US), all domestic animals must at least be inoculated against rabies--so if their cats were to bite someone, they could face substantial fines. I'd imagine they aren't aware of this. (They've also had a number of dogs that have turned aggressive, gotten hit by cars, and have presented themselves as a neighborhood nuisance, so it's not the animals fault... some people just shouldn't have pets). The other problem is that I suspect they got the cats to keep local rodent populations down, but then they reason that the rodents should augment much of the cats' diets, so they feed them very infrequently (and thus, they tend to roam looking for food). According to local lore, resident snowbirds who move around for 3-6 months out of the year tend to get cats for this reason, then leave them behind when they depart for seasonal reasons under the assumption the cats will be there when they return. Often, they're not. Sigh.

Houshalter 12y ago

Not everyone lives in a densely populated area where it's a problem. Or where rabies is a problem for that matter. Although I don't really see the issue. Cats are really harmless and tend to stay close to home. They have been roaming free around human settlements for thousands of years.

JoeAltmaier 12y ago

Cats are not domesticated in the same way dogs are. There is a wide genetic variance in cats, coming from hundreds or thousands of local strains. Dogs are two or three main groups, bred over 1000's of years to make the kinds we see today. Why does that matter? Well, cats are not always let free; sometimes they've always been there. Feral cats can be the ones that nobody has tamed yet. As for 'destructive', that's how nature works. You might prefer the doves, but the kitty has her own ideas and they're not vicious little problems, they're behaving as god intended. Now I'm not sure if cats were native to North America, so there it might be negligence. But consider the parrots of San Francisco, living in large groups in the parks. Parrots are expensive; probably they are descended from those that escaped out an open window. Nobody intended for them to roam free, they did that on their own.

agapos 12y ago
> Cats are not domesticated in the same way dogs are. There is a wide genetic variance in cats, coming from hundreds or thousands of local strains. Dogs are two or three main groups, bred over 1000's of years to make the kinds we see today. Also, count in the fact that dogs (and formerly wolves) were living in packs, but cats did not, and this is still in their genes. Dogs are used to, and more willing to obey someone considered the pack leader, while cats retained most of loner traits even after domestication.