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Show HN: NomadList – The best cities to live and work remotely in
- simonebrunozzi 12y agoI am not able to add a city - I can open the spreadsheet but it's not editable.
- lolizbak 12y agoGreat work. How can people act on the info on specific cities ? There should be a way to balance wrong/right/... for variables that are subjective (weather, friendliness to foreigners, ....)
- pieterhg 12y agoRight now it's crowdsourced from an open Google spreadsheet at http://nomadlist.io/edit/ http://nomadlist.io/edit/ Later I'd like to implement so that it uses baseline values from multiple inputs (e.g. like Numbeo does)
- coppolaemilio 12y agoChiang Mai? You clearly haven't been there! It's nice for a holiday but not for living.
- pieterhg 12y agoIt's not for everyone, but there's hundreds of digital nomads living there now I think, and I've lived there myself
- AVTizzle 12y agoAgreed. I'm in Ho Chi Minh City now, plugged into an expansive network of location independent entrepreneurs. Chiang Mai is absolutely one of the most popular destinations for entrepreneurs in our community.
- ntaso 12y agoWhy? (I've been there only for holiday so far, seemed nice)
- cageface 12y agoThailand has been clamping down on tourist visa abuse recently and getting any kind of proper work permit there is not easy at all. I guess a lot of people just fly under the radar there but it's risky and getting to be increasingly difficult.
- noeltock 12y agoNot everybody is looking for an island in the middle of paradise. Chiang Mai is incredibly colourful in its own ways.
- carbeewo 12y agoI'm in Chiang Mai right now. Granted it's not a huge city, but it's got basically everything you need to work as a nomad; Cheap rent, internet, malls, coworking, gyms, cafes, bars, tourist sites, etc.
- heyalexej 12y agoChiang Mai can be one of the best locations to bootstrap a biz by many many factors. There are hundreds of entrepreneurs in varying stages at any given time. I've met ex-Googlers, ex-Applers, developers, consultants, writers, artists etc. etc.. It's a cheap and convenient place to live and focus. Depending on your budget, you can have whatever you please as far as standards go. A quick search on Google will show you that even mass media picked up on CM as a location for digital nomads.
- yodsanklai 12y agoI spent some time in Thailand, including Chiang Mai, and it didn't strike me as a haven for driven individuals. Most expats I met there were more interested in prostitutes and beers than starting businesses or work. There are also huge inequalities between the people living there. Overall, I found Chiang Mai more depressing than stimulating. But maybe things are different when you really settle down.
- nikster 12y agoYou must have been to the wrong places, dude. The "sexpat" scene here is very small really - you'd have to go to Pattaya or Phuket for that. And also these people don't exactly follow you around, you find them in certain areas - and you'll never meet them outside those areas.
- wnscooke 12y agoOne additional plus for Chiang Mai is that you can reach the rest of SE Asia quite easily without having to live in a huge hub city like Bangkok. I have flown from CM into China, to Singapore, Hong Kong, BKK of course, and all over. Getting from the CM Airport to wherever you are staying is soooo easy compared to the long journey from Swampy (as some call BKK).
- mhoad 12y agoI have no idea what you are talking about. I've been living on the road for the past 18 months living in Sydney, Singapore, Nairobi, New York, Istanbul, Phuket and a few months in Chiang Mai. I can't think of a much better location for "Digital Nomad" (as much as I despise the term) than Chiang Mai, I would move back there in a heartbeat. Cheap amazing food, cheap and amazing accommodation, insanely friendly people, very strong and well connected expat / entrepreneur community. Genuinely I am confused why in your experience Chiang Mai is a horrible choice. I think it is currently at the top of that list for a pretty good reason.
- MichaelTieso 12y agoIt's an incredibly popular place for startups and to work remotely. By far one of the most popular places I know. It's affordable, great international scene, decent internet, and large community. Still, I'm a bit tired of how many people I know move there to work remotely.
- joonet 12y agoI have been living in Chiang Mai for over 2 years now and I can definitely recommend this city for living. People who are interested to live and work here should check this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiUofaCeZT4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiUofaCeZT4
- AlexNeoNomad 12y agoI agree. After 2 months there I became awfully bored as almost no one spoke English as well as anywhere in Thailand (normal English, not just "yes", "no"). Yes, it's a nice city for living but if you're not alone. Don't forget about the troubles about the visas and visa-runs.
- homakov 12y agoTrue, but if your budget <$5k month, it's pretty sweet. If more, why live in 3rd world country when you can stay in much sweeter Hong Kong.
- makaveli8 12y agolol 3rd world.
- skrebbel 12y agoNice! I have some reservations about some of the data though; f.ex. I have a hard time to believe that SF has only slightly higher costs of living than Berlin.
- pieterhg 12y agoIt really depends, the NomadCost is based on staying there for a month, and not being able to rent long-term. So you'll be staying in private rooms in hostels, low-end hotels and CL/AirBnB apts. Finding a cheap place in East Berlin for a long-term is definitely a viable option. But not if you move around as fast as digital nomads do.
- sveme 12y agoAll true, but 90 Euros for a private hostel room strikes me as way too much - a quick search on hostels.com (http://www.hostels.com/berlin/germany?dateFrom=2014-07-31&dateTo=2014-08-03&guestCount=1&homepageSearchType=dropdown#roomTypes=single http://www.hostels.com/berlin/germany?dateFrom=2014-07-31&da...) indicates something like 55,- Euros as the median prize. Mind, that's absolute high season right now. Have you thought about crowdsourcing the data entry?
- lhl 12y agoIt looks like the prices for Berlin are a bit more reasonable on the spreadsheet now (but not the site yet), but yeah, considering there were 1000+ <€30/night listings just on AirBnB when I was looking last month... it seems like there needs to be a better way to sample/get prices that's more representative. The methodology/approach is somewhat flawed (I also just spent a couple months in Tokyo earlier this year there's some discrepancies there that others have pointed out as well).
- TheAlchemist 12y agoSame for the difference between Paris and Wroclaw (2 cities I know). The rent prices are way off (too high for Wroclaw, too low for Paris)
- greggman 12y agoI'm curious where the data comes from? I see that it's a spreadsheet but how is it verified? For example, I don't know what the average price of a co-working space is in Tokyo but I do know that "The Terminal" in Harajuku is only $150 a month. It's open from 11am to 11pm and includes free drinks (soda, coffee, tea). Co-ba, has more than one location, the one in Shibuya is $160 a month and is open 24 hours. The Open Source Cafe in Shimokitazawa is tiny but also similarly priced as is one I visited in Koenji (sorry, I forgot the name). So, I'm curious where that $444 a month estimate comes from. Rent is also iffy. It currently says $70 a day but rent varies widely depending on your standards and how far out of the center you're willing to live. I know people that have had a large 3bd apt for $1200 a month only 2 stops out various main lines on the express. (which might be like 12 local stops). Whereas downtown it might be $1200 for a studio but then again it depends on the quality. I know guys living in Nishi-Azabu for $600 a month.
- pieterhg 12y agoIt's based on short-term staying in the center. It's very subjective data by its nature. YMMV
- ojii 12y agoAlso 20MBPS internet in Tokyo seems very odd. According to their data, internet in Zurich is twice as fast as Tokyo. That's simply ridiculous.
- robzyb 12y agoHey there! I'm moving to Tokyo in September (from Australia) and I'm after any tips that I can get :) Mind if I comment hi-jack and ask if you know of any particularly good areas that I should be looking to rent in? I'll be working close to Shinjuku station. Also, I will be working a day-job, but I hope to work on some side-projects too. Where is a good quiet place to go and work? Co-ba at $160/month is tempting, but I'm not sure that I'll be there often enough to justify that cost. I was hoping that I'd be able to find cafes that would fit the bill. Thanks!
- dewey 12y agoSmall bug: I'm not able to switch the currency, it just shows pounds even though I selected Euro in the dropdown menu at the top (http://nomadlist.io/?l=eu http://nomadlist.io/?l=eu)
- noeltock 12y agoI like the concept for getting some new ideas, but it needs significantly more information to be useful downstream. Having been nomading around for the past year, there are things that are important to me (accomodation, gym, coworking, good food) that are made easier/harder by various factors (proximity to each other, cost, contract length, quality, etc.). There's no tool for that yet (albeit excellent blog posts, not everything has to be made into an app I guess).
- jwksiaw 12y agoI agree with this. I like the idea of the nomad list as a very quick high level and ranking system, but there are a lot of qualitative factors that I take into account when I move somewhere. I've found blog posts to be really helpful, but they're such a pain to find. It'd be nice if someone curated them.
- nrzuk 12y agoVery nice :) Hopefully packing up in a months time and starting to work remotely so a list like this will certainly come in handy when investigating the next stop!
- woutr_be 12y agoA lot of these cities are only good if you are a local, for example in Hong Kong it is almost impossible to get a working visa that allows you to work for a remote company. I image in Japan it would probably be even harder.
- pieterhg 12y agoMany nomads are actually registered with a Ltd in HK for tax purposes.
- woutr_be 12y agoBeing registered is one thing, getting an actual visa is quite difficult. (If you are applying for your own visa that is)
- cageface 12y agoA lot of digital nomads just fly under the local radar by working online. This is more risky in some countries than others.
- imjustsaying 12y agoHo Chi Minh is almost twice as expensive as Hanoi? I didn't make it to Hanoi, but everyone told me it was the more expensive of the two. HCM is really cheap everywhere you go if you just stay out of the financial sector. Keep in mind AirBNB doesn't seem to get sites below the $15 range, and a lot of hotels that are in this range don't list on internet exchanges either. For example in Ho Chi Minh there's a few decent airconditioned hotels next to Bui Vien for $10 a night but you wont find them online. Also in Southeast Asia I've found you can rent most everywhere for 30 days at a time, which in my mind is short term when I consider all the minimum 12 month leases I had to get in the US. Good job though, I like that you're scraping other sites. This should be good to use in conjunction with Numbeo, which has its own biases.
- cageface 12y agoIt's also very easy to find a room to rent for a month for $300 or less in HCMC, even right in the center of District 1. I'm doing just that right now, in fact, and have a serviced room in a very good location. It's been my experience that Hanoi is generally more expensive in just about every respect but I haven't spent as much time there. Personally if I'm going to put up with the hassles of living as a nomad I want to reap more of the benefits so I prefer to stay in cleaner, quieter beach towns and enjoy the slower pace of life but some people like city life I guess.
- jawngee 12y agoI came here to say the same thing. There's no way Hanoi is cheaper then HCMC, even living in D7 or D2. Been here the last three years.
- disputin 12y agoYes, an indicator of ease of renting would be great - lease lengths and bureaucracy.
- flurdy 12y agoMight be sample size related. Or simply that Saigon is in much more demand than Hanoi and the ones that entered the data could simply have stayed in more expensive accommodation such as very central or in the financial sector.
- hal9000xp 12y agoGood idea! But you have to add a visa information for each country. For example, I like Hong Kong, but you can't stay there more than 2 weeks (if you want stay more, you have to get work permit/get married/have business there etc). But Thailand afaik is easy country for living for a long time without work permit.
- cageface 12y agoThailand has been clamping down on tourist visa abuse lately and working there in any capacity, even if your business is entirely online and outside Thailand is illegal. You might get away with it but you're definitely taking your chances. Getting a proper work permit there is quite expensive and difficult. Cambodia and Vietnam are much laxer in this regard but also don't offer the same standard of living.
- josai 12y ago> you're definitely taking your chances How could they catch you and what are the penalties, do you know? Any anecdotes you could share? Been thinking about hanging out in SEA doing remote work for a few months, would like to know the real situation.
- cageface 12y agoTechnically you can face a hefty fine or even jail time. I can't say I've known anyone personally that's faced this but I've heard stories. Apparently right now there's a big crackdown on tourist visas in Thailand, with people being asked to justify 2-3 month stays in Thailand with extensive itineraries and documentation and people with multiple previous tourists visas being denied entry. If you're just there on the 30-day exemption you're probably ok, particularly if you've never been to Thailand before. Cambodia and Vietnam are much laxer in this regard. Technically you're not supposed to be working in either of those places either without a permit but I've never heard of anyone having issues.
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- alessioalex 12y agoBucharest is way undervalued. The internet speed can easily be 1Gb/s for around 15$ I think, while the montly costs for living should be around 1000$ at most in my opionion.
- oblio 12y agoRenting a decent 1 bedroom apartment is about 350 dollars. 1Gbps costs 20 dollars, and it includes TV subscription (I think it includes HBO too), a fixed phone line and a 3G SIM card and/or USB stick. The cost of living is definitely less than 1000 dollars. After all the average salary in Bucharest is probably less than 1000 dollars per month, so we wouldn't be able to live here if it cost more, would we? :)
- zapu 12y agoSame with Wrocław on this page.
- adambard 12y agoI think a big difference in cost-of-living is paying a premium for short-term accommodation. There are definitely places to live here in Kraków for 900zł per month, but I'm paying significantly more for the privilege of staying for a short time (and the convenience of AirBnB).
- ghiculescu 12y agoBucharest confuses me. Walking around the city you see more luxury cars (mostly BMWs) per capita than almost any other European capital. But the median wage is 1000 Euros. None of the locals I've asked (friends, family, etc.) ever have a solid answer, so maybe the internet can help.
- csomar 12y agoLuxury cars are not that expensive if they are very high on your list. Tunisia is poorer than Romania, and if you visit the streets, you'll see tons of Mercedes, BMWs, Porsches... The local just want to have one and that is the reason.
- wasyl 12y agoCosts of living are definitely way off, I live in Wroclaw, you can easily live comfortably for $1000, probably even less
- zapu 12y agoThis surprised me as well. "costs of living" on this page are higher than average monthly salaries in these towns.
- lukasm 12y agoI believe this is amount for lifestyle above the average. Discount Macbook Pro for 4 years and other stuff. Same apply for London. You can live off 1000 a month, but 2500 gets you comparable life.
- adambard 12y agoI think this site calculates the cost of living as a transient; staying in short-term accommodation, eating meals out, etc. The spread sheet specifically asks for the costs of meals and hotel rooms, which is probably why it skews high.
- peteretep 12y agoYou need to include visa situation, because Bangkok is 3rd, but unless you're planning to start a Thailand-based business via the BOI, you're working there illegally if you don't have a work permit, and they're cracking down on all sorts of visa irregularities at the moment.
- jtheory 12y agoAssuming that you're working remotely for clients who are outside of Thailand, is this actually a problem? I've worked from various places while traveling, and never worried about this, though obviously it would be an issue if you wanted to pick up local clients.
- peteretep 12y agoIt is _absolutely_ a problem if you're working remotely for clients who are outside Thailand. Will you get caught? Probably not. Will you get caught if you keep showing up at co-working spaces now the government is cracking down on visas? Are you feeling lucky?
- johnking 12y agoYes Thailand is, supposedly, cracking down on visa runs from August 12th. Although there have been threats like this before, and its soon dissipated. So we will have to wait and see. This however has nothing to do with whether or not you show up at co-working spaces! We're not dealing with the secret service here, they're not tracking your every movement.
- mediascreen 12y agoUnless you get out of your way to irritate someone with immigration connections, I would say the risk is pretty close to zero. It's much easier to crack down on people doing perpetual visa runs or companies hiring large numbers of Cambodians than it would be to monitor what exactly foreigners are doing in co-working spaces.
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- maga 12y agoAs a nomad who wouldn't mind settling down, I'm actually more interested in a place where I can register my company with prospects of becoming full-fledged citizen in the future, preferably in somewhat colder regions of the planet. I'm not entirely happy with my current passport, and working out of off-shores doesn't do much good for that.
- heyalexej 12y agoDerek Sivers (founder of CDBaby) created an amazing project that caters to these needs: https://woodegg.com/ https://woodegg.com/
- jarek 12y agoNot exactly colder regions of the planet, that...
- thowar2 12y agoI'd learn about the options on http://flagtheory.com/ http://flagtheory.com/
- sivers 12y agoHi maga. Belgium is ideal for what you're asking. If you incorporate your company there, you can get instant residency via the “Professional Card”. Once you are a legal resident there, they don't count the days you're there, so you don't need to be there full-time. You should plan to hire at least one local Belgian employee. Then, after 5 years of residency, assuming you've learned conversational French or Dutch, depending on where in the country you reside, you're very eligible for Belgian citizenship. Email me if you want details or a referral.
- turar 12y agoSounds too good to be true, what's the catch? Why aren't there thousands/millions of third-world nationals incorporating a business there already via "consultants" and such?
- wingerlang 12y agoI've lived in Bangkok the last 7 months and I spend approximately half the stated sum. I am by no chance saying that the sum is invalid, it is probably pretty damn accurate (from what I've heard elsewhere). Just mentioning that it is not the minimum. Not even I am at the minimum because I have a /relatively/ expensive apartment. And I don't live on breadcrumbs or anything like that :) EDIT: As the reply posted by OP saying > NomadCost is based on short-term staying in a hostel, hotel or apartment in the center, working in a coworking space and having a basic meal three times a day. (I am not really close to that actual lifestyle)
- angerman 12y agoOk. The idea is great, but as other have also said, the figures seem way off. Just two examples: Basel being cheaper than Berlin? I have a hard time believing that. But: Hong Kong being cheaper than Leipzig? That just can't be true.
- ondrasej 12y agoThe price for Hong Kong looks weird, NomadCost per month in HK is roughly 350 EUR lower than the monthly rental costs. This is probably due to the very low listed price of the hostel and budget hotel rooms.
- pieterhg 12y agoHi HN! I made this. Here's some info on the data before everyone goes berzerk :) Firstly, it's crowdsourced from this spreadsheet http://nomadlist.io/edit/ http://nomadlist.io/edit/ so it might not be 100% accurate. Secondly, NomadCost != cost of living. NomadCost is based on short-term staying in a hostel, hotel or apartment in the center, working in a coworking space and having a basic meal three times a day. That's the average digital nomad's lifestyle. They move around every few months, so they can't rent long-term. So NomadCost will be way more expensive than cost of living for a resident. I'd like to monetize this by selling city specific nomad guides on how to set up in each place and letting people find jobs remotely. Hope this helps! I think this is the future of work, so I'm very happy to help push this. P.S. this is part of my goal to launch 12 startups in 12 months (see http://levels.io/12-startups-12-months http://levels.io/12-startups-12-months)
- BrianEatWorld 12y agoI like the idea of the Nomad Guides, though I don't know what kind of value I would place on one. Perhaps, an alternative way to monetize would be if you worked out agreements in advance to sell Nomad Packages that covered all the basics for limited stays, which would minimize set up times and make arrival and departure painless. It would be nice if the current site included a better description of the NomadCost and maybe even an overview of what you mean by the digital nomad lifestyle. It turns out that it is something I have been looking into for a year or so, but I did not realize it was a formal concept.
- alanbyrne 12y ago+1 for a Nomad Package. I'd love it if someone met me at the airport with a pre-paid SIM card and suggestions for accommodation and public workspaces.
- pieterhg 12y agoThat's what I was thinking too. What would you like to pay for that? Let's say a pre-paid data SIM card, a day pass in a coworking space, a low-end hotel night near the space altogether?
- product50 12y agoFor working remotely, another factor which should be considered is time zone. It is very difficult to have a fruitful arrangement if you are always trying to scramble for times in the wee hours..
- czbond 12y agoGreat point that makes a big difference to people looking to work with US states. I can only imagine trying to find good internet at 2am for an issue if it's business hours in the US.
- dalerus 12y agoAdded Phnom Penh to your list. If you're a remote worker it's great place. In the city most people speak English, huge expat community, USD is the main currency, stable internet, a few co-working spaces, amazingly cheap to live, and a business visa is no problem.
- cageface 12y agoI spent four months in Phnom Penh over the last year or so and overall I'd agree it's not a bad place at all. Downsides are stinky trash everywhere, pedestrian-unfriendly streets, and a generally dodgy and unsafe vibe later at night. I think if I go back to Cambodia for another extended stay I'll try Siem Riep. Personally I prefer Vietnam but Cambodia is definitely a good option too.
- notahacker 12y agoIf you like the quiet life Battambang is very pleasant. As for Siem Reap, I guess if you stayed for long enough the hawkers would start to recognise you.
- cageface 12y agoHaven't been to Battambang but it's on my list of places to check out. I'd be quicker to explore places like that if I spoke some Khmer. I prefer traveling in Vietnam generally because I can speak the language well enough now.
- dalerus 12y agoBattambang is a great place, one my favorite places to spend time in Cambodia.
- riffraff 12y agoI honestly cannot imagine how you may end up spending 2000$/month to live in budapest. I got by with 400€ for years.
- fauigerzigerk 12y agoThose european rent prices seem like a complete fantasy in some cases. Sure you get all kinds of outliers in every city but rents in Paris, Dublin and Berlin are certainly not the same. Paris is twice as expensive as Berlin, and Dublin is somewhere in the middle. This site has much more realistic numbers: http://www.numbeo.com/common/ http://www.numbeo.com/common/
- dm2 12y agoWhy would being in the center of the city be important? I would think average anywhere in the city would be more reasonable. I would also like to see the costs of a 2 bedroom apartment. I'd personally rather have an office in my apartment than a co-op space. What would the price of a small house be within 10 miles of the city? (question that could be added) How is the NomadCost calculated? These numbers don't add up: http://nomadlist.io/?hn http://nomadlist.io/?hn
- heyalexej 12y agoMost digital nomads I met in years prefer to stay close to where things are happening. Namely, where they have convenient access to food, coffee shops, gyms, coworking spaces, public transport, meeting other like minded people etc. and lastly to not lose tons of valuable time due to long commute to places of interest. I think that's what the project is aiming at. Cost of living for those "edge cases" vary even more than what's discussed in this thread and it'd be damn hard to find common ground. But to answer your question: costs for a setup like you suggest/prefer may literally be half of what city center life would be.
- dm2 12y agoHow do people deal with moving costs? I have a lot of random stuff that I "need" or would like to have but at the same time I'd be very interested in traveling and working remotely for a year or two. It would be nice if you also had a "dog friendly/accessible" metric, that's part of the reason why living in a city center isn't reasonable for me personally, I need green spaces rather than tall buildings.
- jarek 12y ago> How do people deal with moving costs? I have a lot of random stuff that I "need" or would like to have Have less stuff. Most people probably end up having a storage unit (either at family or a storage business) "back home" for stuff they want to keep long-term but is too big to bring everywhere.
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- compare 12y agoGreat concept. One feature request: Better calculations for cities with Bi-modal price distributions. Certain cities have a extremely bi-modal distributions of pricing. I.e. they can support both the "broke artist" lifestyle, and the "upper middle class" lifestyle. Two separate cost distributions. If you try to take the mean or median of these cities, you'll end up either arbitrarily landing on one of the distributions, or a nonsense number in the middle. A good example is Manhattan. For example, pizza can actually be cheaper in Manhattan than Sofia. In Manhattan, the broke artist lifestyle of living with multiple roommates who barely know each other, all sharing a rent controlled apartment for a few hundred dollars a month is more socially acceptable and much more common. Just taking prices from the realtor-controlled apartment websites is a poor reflection of reality. Almost no one except the richer consultants bothers with a full-time coworking desk in either city. In this case, Manhattan can actually cost less than Sofia. So, I think the "broke artist" price distributions would better reflect what a remote working nomad would be looking for, instead of the "upper middle class" prices.
- couchand 12y agoAnd likewise with temperature. I grew up in Iowa where it fluctuates from over 100F (40C) to below 0F (-20C) but that doesn't give it the same climate as San Francisco's near-constant 70F (20C). For that matter, colorize high temperatures in red as well.
- thowar2 12y agoCheck out http://weatherhobo.com/ http://weatherhobo.com/ for more in depth temperature based filtering.
- gkop 12y agoMay I ask where do you recommend in Sofia for cheap pizza?
- simplyinfinity 12y agomost street corners in sofia have a slice for ~ 1$ (1.2lv up to 2 lv) i've heard friends recommend the pizza around NDK & Vitosha buss stop but i haven't tried it personally
- jeremyirony 12y agoKek, since when Israel is in Europe?
- testrun 12y agoWell, apparently Mexico is in South America. You learn everyday.
- jarek 12y ago1991, at least as far as UEFA is concerned
- hcho 12y agoIf you take your geographical advice from football federations; Australia is in Asia.
- VBprogrammer 12y agoPerhaps more importantly since when is Jerusalem in Israel. It's a occupied Palestinian territory according to the UN.
- mixon 12y agoWest Jerusalem is Israeli. The status of East Jerusalem is uncertain. Israel annexed East Jerusalem in 80s but the international community has not recognized Israel's sovereignty there.
- megablast 12y agoVang Vieng in Laos was the cheapest place I lived. Less than A$10 a day for hotel with my own room, internet, food and drinks. And it was a really beautiful place. All the restaurants had wifi, so you could sit and work there all day, overlooking amazing limestone cliffs.
- MichaelTieso 12y agoA lot easier now without all the crazy tubing I'm sure.
- fookyong 12y agoTo those in this thread saying you need an appropriate working visa to work in these countries: Have you ever worked for a company in Country A and been sent on a business trip to Country B? Most likely your company didn't need a Country B working visa for you, just for a business trip. I am not a lawyer, but I don't see how the digital nomad lifestyle is any different. If you're just spending short amounts of time in these countries, legally how is this any different from going on a business trip since your company and salary will be paid in the origin country. I'm sure there's a cut off point, like once you go over a certain amount of time it becomes harder to justify your trip as a short term business trip... but what's that line?
- heyalexej 12y agoThat's how I see it. People who chose this lifestyle are more often than not prone to bend the rules a bit here and there (which entrepreneur/hacker doesn't?), cut some corners and tend to have some MacGyver tricks at their disposal.
- stephenr 12y agoI hope those MacGuyver tricks include either an invisible skeleton key or a wrist-strap soap on a rope. There is a lot of commentry in thailand right now because immigration are cracking down on people abusing a loophole in the visa exemption system. The law hasn’t changed at all, it’s just being enforced, and people act like it’s somehow against their human rights for a country to enforce it’s own immigration laws and tell them “no sorry, you are clearly not a tourist just because you have left every 30/60/90 days and returned the same day, for the last 3 years”.
- caw 12y agoIt really depends, and you should really check. I went to Israel for a week for business meetings, and needed a work visa. Coming from the US, I didn't need to file paperwork ahead of time, but coming from some other non-US branches I may have needed a letter of invitation from the local branch to do a business meeting and then leave. Yes you can come in on a tourist visa and work, and I'm sure some people do that, but if you're looking to be on the full up and up, even short stays may need work visas.
- wslh 12y agoYou can live in Buenos Aires for half the price in the nomad list.
- rabble 12y agoI think what he did was take the official exchange rate. I live on that amount (or a bit more), but i've got two kids in private school, a house with a pool, house keeper, etc.. It's important to use the real exchange rate not the official one.
- reustle 12y agoSame with New York. Their estimation is 5k but it can be done with 1.5k if you're smart about it (hence being a good nomad)
- vog 12y agoI find it confusing that 1°C is displayed in red, but 31°C is displayed in green (instead of bold red). The temperature should be checked against an upper limit.
- pieterhg 12y agoI previously had it opposite, but I wanted to show that green was good and red was bed, also in terms of internet speed etc.
- davidw 12y agoMilan?! Yuck. Worst city in Italy: it's expensive, polluted, crowded, and has little of what makes Italy so nice in many other places. Italians move there because it's the business capital of the country, and there are jobs and money. But if you can live anywhere with a decent connection... that's the last place I'd go.
- pmontra 12y agoThat's about the general feeling Italians have about Milan (I'm Italian, I've been living there all my life), nevertheless they keep coming here :-) If you can work and get your customers remotely you don't want to be in Milan, but be careful about bad ADSLs in rural areas, which unfortunately are the ones where you want to be. You might aim to one of the many medium sized cities that are pretty everywhere. Look for one close to an airport, an high speed train station, sea or mountains depending on your tastes. By the way, Internet speed in Milan is 100 Mb/s download / 10 Mb/s upload if you have fiber, or something up to 20 Mb/s with ADSL. Fiber really give you those speeds, with ADSL it's up to your luck.
- davidw 12y agoI live in Padova, and it's nice, although I think if someone isn't going to spend a long time in Italy, and wants "the Italian experience", I'd go with somewhere like Perugia, even if it's harder to get to. It is a beautiful area, things work pretty well compared to farther south, the people are friendly, and it's not too touristy.
- tiatia 12y agoI don't see this as very useful. People are different, so are countries. Internet is very relative. Can be extremely slow and extremely fast in one city. Beijing 20 MBPS? Really? Maybe when you are torrenting or using Baidu. The Eardex Index http://flyingdutchman.co/cost-living-world-wide-county/ http://flyingdutchman.co/cost-living-world-wide-county/ provides more info. But even this is like selecting you girl friend based on numbers.
- lucaspiller 12y ago> Internet is very relative. Can be extremely slow and extremely fast in one city. My experience has been the same. Maybe it could hook into https://www.hotelwifitest.com/ https://www.hotelwifitest.com/, but even that isn't too accurate. The hotel I'm staying in at the moment (well known business brand) provides 2Mbps, but I can get 50Mbps over 4G. The only issue is that data is very expensive here, so I can blow $40 worth of data in 2 minutes at that speed :D For coding that's fine, but if you are doing video editing or such you'll probably want something faster and more data.
- seanmcdirmid 12y agoIt seems to hold when accessing yoku, letv, Tudo, but that's about it, and even then the local internet can be even. If you have to use a VPN, be prepared for pain and heartache, and have lots of patience. Why would anyone want to nomad in Beijing? Breathing would be your biggest problem.
- chenster 12y agoDon't forget the great firewall of China.
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- randomflavor 12y agoLocal main language should be included?
- sjwright 12y agoOr to be more practical for the anglo-centric HN audience, the percentage of population which can speak English.
- randomflavor 12y agowell it's nice to know the lang.. mebbe ill take it or know it or have a cousin that speaks it.
- billrobertson42 12y agoSome of the text is so low-contrast that I can't read it.
- CalRobert 12y agoThis could be even more problematic for vision-impaired readers. Low contrast text should be avoided out of consideration for those with less than perfect sight, even if it looks "cool".
- progx 12y agoI was wondering when you have time to work, most of the time you travel and seeking hotels, internet, startups, ...
- 67726e 12y agoAre there any good resources in getting the appropriate visa/permit to work in foreign countries? I just got the go-ahead to work remote and I'm looking into working abroad, but information on remote working and the appropriate visas seem few and far in between. To those that have done it, where do you look/who do you ask when looking for this type of information? Do you just get ahold of someone at the appropriate embassy/consulate or is there some service you can pay for to assist with the process?
- CalRobert 12y agoThis is a really broad question, and it depends largely on where you're from, where you want to go, and what you want to do. Can you elaborate? If you just want to have a good time for a while I'd check out whether your country has working holiday visa arrangements with any other countries.
- 67726e 12y agoFor me personally, I'm looking at Europe. I'm coming from America so I could possibly get away with 3 month stints on a Schengen visa, but I've been looking for long-term 6-12 months. I'm just starting to look into this though, so general tips/resources/strategies for getting the proper permits is always a plus. As an aside, I'd never heard the term "Working Holiday" before so that in and of itself is a new avenue of approach.
- discohead 12y agoOne technique is 3 months in the Schengen area and then 3-6 months in UK/Ireland, 3 months in Schengen, etc... as UK/Ireland are not Schengen and Americans can stay for up to 6 months.
- CalRobert 12y agoI've begun work on something for someone just like you, because that was me two years ago. http://www.pond-crosser.com/ http://www.pond-crosser.com/. It's not much at the moment but I hope it becomes a useful resource. You might find the following interesting: Irish Working Holiday Program Dutch American Friendship Treaty German Blue Card (Need a job in Germany, but those are supposed to be easy to get and the Blue Card gives you freedom to live and work in the EU after only three years). Also, it's true you can bounce between Schengen and non-Schengen Europe, but I wouldn't assume immigration officers will always be delighted with you. Drop me a line at the email address in my profile if you want to talk more.
- noahtkoch 12y agoDamn dude, nice work, I've been following your developments on /r/digitalnomads
- simonswords82 12y agoTried to head over to /r/digitalnomads and it's banned?
- jawngee 12y agohttp://www.reddit.com/r/digitalnomad http://www.reddit.com/r/digitalnomad
- Dewie 12y agoUsing Fahrenheit (the degrees column for each city) as a measurement isn't very international.
- tet 12y agoBucharest ~ $1800 is exaggerated, honestly, if you live alone $500 are more than enough.
- personlurking 12y agoI can say the same for Lisbon (€1368 on the list). I'm more of a resident here but I spend under €400/mo (<$530) and live just fine (my own rented apt, centrally located).
- jeromegv 12y agoAnybody can vouch for Philippines? Which city is the best?
- seanmcdirmid 12y agoCebu seems nice. Has beaches but is still a city.
- Paul12345534 12y agoI like Cebu City but the internet is not always as stable as what you might find in the US.
- notahacker 12y agoAvoid the cities and head for the beach or mountains...
- jahitr 12y agoThose numbers are all made up.
- abuteau 12y agoSidenote: http://teleport.org/ http://teleport.org/ Try to do something like that, but not crowdsourced. It's from Sten Tamkivi a16z entrepreneur in residence.
- motormanwrithes 12y agosuper useful resource I'm sure, and I'd like to chat ideas to monetize, or at least capitalize on the knowledge too. Is it cool to share this? @motormanwrithes MANILA - LONDON - LA
- thom_nic 12y agoI would think crime rate should factor into this as well. It's at least as important as weather.
- homakov 12y ago+1, wouldn't recommend Brazil if you love your life
- micro_cam 12y agoVery cool. To broaden the appeal I would consider expanding to include things like recreational opportunities. I spent some time road tripping around the us rock climbing and working remotely and know others who have done the same. Knowing which small towns near climbing areas (or ski areas, or whitewater rivers, or national parks, or whatever) have reasonable coffee shops, hostels, camping etc would have been very valuable. I guess some of this could be done by integrating a wiki or something.
- cpursley 12y agoAgree. Cost of living is important. But things like recreation, food and community are really what make a location special. A walkability factor would be nice as well.
- tom_devref 12y agoWhat if you prefer colder climates? Not sure why the city should be penalized for it. High temperatures make me less productive.
- mbillie1 12y agoNot to mention some people are 'digital nomads' in order to explicitly pursue other things in life like snow sports, mountaineering, etc., which tend to be found in colder climates.
- AndersSandvik 12y agoThere should be a setting where you can decide this for yourself. I Have problems sleeping in worm climats
- tanmay007 12y agoThis is going to be so useful!
- dberglu 12y agoAwesome idea -- Tim Ferris would love it.
- AlexNeoNomad 12y agoI knew that Chiang Mai would've been there surely.
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- TwiztidK 12y agoThis comment will probably get overlooked, but how do you get into the "digital nomad" lifestyle? Basically, what kind of work allows you operate 100% remotely? Thanks.
- mbillie1 12y agoI'm a developer (currently on a primarily Rails project) and I wrk 100% remote. There are plenty of jobs out there. Check https://careers.stackoverflow.com/ https://careers.stackoverflow.com/ and in the "where" type "telecommute" to search remote jobs.
- scrollaway 12y agoPlenty of jobs in the open source community are 100% remote.
- jgmmo 12y agoI am a consultant for a digital marketing agency (Web dev. + Analytics + Search Marketing). I work 100% remote -- I don't do this nomad stuff, I just stay in my house. Once a year they fly everyone in for a one week 'summit' so we can all hang out in person. Find a 'virtual company'. It's the future.
- SyneRyder 12y agoAnything where you just need a laptop & internet should work. Indie software development is one option. Back when shareware was the big thing there were a few nomads, Trygve Inda springs to mind and got a mention in a CNN article: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2007/08/01/100138820/index.htm?postversion=2007080610 http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2... Some folks do it with blogging (lots of bloggers do it funded by ads & e-book sales), mobile app development, web design & admin, content development, even some online consulting (bonus points if you're prepared to fly to meet clients). If you're lucky you can even talk your employer into it. There are some enlightened ones who allow remote work. But being a 100% Digital Nomad is probably too extreme for an employment situation.
- SchizoDuckie 12y agoI'm sorry but 2950 for living in Amsterdam for a month, that's insane.
- gdilla 12y agoThis is great! Request - could you add the ability to choose your city and normalize the others? Example, I live in NYC, and I want to consider a move, how much cheaper is it? So if NYC cost is normalized to 1, then I can quickly understand the relationship to other places.
- bdickason 12y agoThis is a great idea. I've been working from Sardegna (an island off the coast of Italy/Spain) and have barely been able to hold a skype connection to my office in NYC, even from most big cities. I would have loved if someone went through and found great internet spots in each city (and even out in the country in some tourist-y spots) in advance so I could follow in their footsteps!! Even at the least - letting me know that Vodafone is the best connectivity in the South, but sketchy in the northeast.
- Habesha 12y agoMay be expand this hotel wifi speed ranking to local spots? https://www.hotelwifitest.com/ https://www.hotelwifitest.com/
- pistoriusp 12y agoThe HackerNews logo in the footer is also really pretty, did you also make that?
- lotsofcows 12y agoNice. Although I'd write the first four off on temperature alone...
- jwblackwell 12y agoLove this! But I'm surprised not to see main Spanish cities on here. I took a short trip to Seville and was amazed how cheap everything was (I live in London). There was an abundance of Airbnb accommodation, eating out was cheap and you could get a bucket of beers for 5 euros in many places. About the same as a pint in London. I'd make this list a little more interactive, perhaps have a forum/comments behind each city. Could become a really useful resource.
- optymizer 12y agoYou need way more data points. I would add crime statistics to this for example or probability of getting arrested and beaten by the local police, and the average cost of bribing officials/administrative workers. For example, Sofia is #5, but, having lived there for a few years, it is absolutely not the #5 best choice, by far. That said, it's not a bad choice, it works for Telerik after all.
- baby 12y agoThat's called "danger prime" in Europe when you apply for a V.I.E.
- djvv 12y agoCan you give us your top 5 list?
- ajaxaddicted 12y ago"probability of getting arrested and beaten by the local police, and the average cost of bribing officials/administrative workers" - I don't know where this is coming from. I've lived in Sofia for 6 years, never been arrested or beaten or bribed anyone.
- adammcnamara 12y agoThanks for sharing.
- dzhiurgis 12y agoGreat initiative, but I would add more smaller cities. Also temperature should have some sort of average. Surely it's not great to live in a scorching heat all the time. That said, I dream one day to work remotely from a live aboard sailboat. Connectivity could be somewhat a problem, but 3G covers a lot of globe and if you are smart enough, living aboard can be very cheap.
- codingdave 12y agoI get that this is made for short-term stays, and being truly nomadic. But I think many of us who work remotely do it to allow us to leave the cities. Building permanent roots in a small town is way cheaper and simpler, but that isn't really covered here. Also, one's own goals and personality have a lot more to do with the "best" place to work from than the crunchable data does. So I like the idea of compiling a list of great places to work remotely, but I'm not sure this particular execution of that idea has a ton of value for me.
- cageface 12y agoI'm a smaller city guy myself. Vietnam has a number of beach towns with very good quality of life and low living costs. It does help a lot to learn a bit of the language though.
- danesparza 12y agoI love the idea. I notice that the only factors used don't seem to mention any political unrest. For example, the top rated city seems to be in Thailand... which has experienced a lot of political unrest recently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thailand#2013.E2.80.932014_political_crisis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thailand#2013.E2.80.932014_poli...
- szukai 12y agoThe political unrest doesn't really effect day to day living at all for Thailand. You can read up about it, the latest round actually has a lot of online posts talking about how "tourist friendly" the military was (no joke).
- scriptdevil 12y agoIt misses Bangalore, India. You could live a good life for $750.00 a month. For an additional $35 a month, you can get a 60MBps internet connection. Weather is pretty pleasant throughout the year. You could sample quite an assortment of cuisines too. Meetups are fairly active as well. Negatives: Traffic is terrible, but I stay indoors most of the time. Vendors do not speak English, but the number of non-Indians is high and the one can speak in English in any mid-sized shop. Disclaimer: I am an Indian, but am not a native of Bangalore. I was initially resentful of having to stay in Bangalore, but of late have started liking the city.
- tomblomfield 12y agoThere's a button to "Add your city"
- jgmmo 12y agoVisited Bangalore on business. Loved it.
- adamzerner 12y agoWhat are the important cultural differences between Chiang Mai and, say New York?
- espitia 12y agoAwesome project! I've passed by many of the cities mentioned in Asia and I have to agree with most of what is up on top of the list. Specially Chiang Mai. I spent a 2 weeks up there and enjoyed it a lot. Met a lot of great people as well.
- TheMagicHorsey 12y agoI don't know if I'm the first one to say this, but I have discovered that Sebastapol, CA, which is an 1.5 hours north of San Francisco, has fiber internet, and a significantly lower cost of living. Its also in a fairly beautiful and wooded part of Northern CA. O' Reilly Associates is based there. I'm surprised it isn't more jam packed with start ups. Oh yeah ... there is nothing to do there. So you will have to just admire nature and work. And then commute to SF for your meetings. If this explodes in popularity, I hope someone will credit me for leaking the secret.
- dennisgorelik 12y agoReal estate prices in Sebastapol are still 3+ times higher than in most of the United States.
- TheMagicHorsey 12y agoYou are right. It probably only seems reasonable to my eyes because I live in San Francisco. Perhaps Kansas City, with its Google Fiber and relatively mild climate, is a better option overall.
- istorical 12y agoHey guys I'm also building a similar service to this site, but more focused on the qualitative than the quantitative: http://www.istorical.com http://www.istorical.com
- visarga 12y agoPleased to find my city - Bucharest - at the top of bandwidth and pretty decent with regard to living cost, but 1312 EUR/month is absurd. I'd estimate the living cost to $250 rent, $200 food, $20 internet and $20 mobile voice+data = about $500/month. That is, if you rent a flat, buy food at supermarkets, not if you spend all day in coffee shops and eat only at restaurants.
- anton-107 12y agoIs this rent price for an apartment in the center that you can find within one week? Most european cities' centers are significantly more expensive than suburbs/country side. $250 is suspiciously cheap
- oblio 12y agoIf you want to live in the city center (i.e. 1km radius), then an apartment will probably cost a bit more. But I'd say that withing a 3-5km radius $250 is normal for longer term rent and probably $300-320 for something super quick. But most of the people renting don't sign any contracts anyway so you can just say that you'll stay for 1 year and pack your bags after 1-2-3 months, or as long as you paid the deposit for.
- hazelnut 12y agoGreat idea, but I can't find any information about healthcare? It might be great to live in Thailand where you have to spent just a little for living but what happens if we compare this with their healthcare system?
- moystard 12y agoI was going to suggest the same feature: healthcare and more generally public services are a very important factor when deciding to settle somewhere. Too bad most of these websites seem to think cost of living is the #1 factor.
- ximi 12y agoI was thinking the same at first, but when you think about, the defining feature of a digital nomad is that he moves from place to place and doesn't permanently settle somewhere, so I can see how this isn't quite as important as cost of living. After all, if you don't like it in a place (or you're not happy with the public services) you can just up and leave. Having said that, it'd still be nice and make the data inherently more useful to have additional data such as the quality of/access to healthcare (though I'm not sure how easy it is to quantify that) or crime rates.
- peteretep 12y agoPrivate healthcare outcomes likely comparable, at a fraction of the price. That's probably true for most major cities outside of the US.
- notahacker 12y agoThailand actually has unusually good healthcare; it's a major destination for health tourism. None of the cities on the list so far are anywhere I'd be desperately worried about being sick.
- chenster 12y agoTaipei is my top choice. The healthcare is excellent (and free) if you are a Taiwan resident.
- differentView 12y agoIt is very inexpensive compared to the U.S., but it's not free.
- lifeformed 12y agoI think it's like $10 a month? Plus all the services are super cheap. I went to visit my family there, and went to a dentist for a cavity filling. It was very clean and professional, as much as any dentist I've been to in the US. The cost was $6. At those prices it feels pretty much free. You no longer view health expenses as this weird financial burden in your life; instead, it just financially feels like buying a burrito or fixing your bike.
- lifeformed 12y agoI agree, I stayed there recently and it was great. There was amazing, cheap food everywhere, and had really clean and extensive public transportation. It was also very safe feeling.
- frankacter 12y agoIf you make it this way drop me a note and I'll buy you a drink. I've been here 8 years and love it.
- jwksiaw 12y agoI agree with Taipei. I lived there a few years ago, and I loved it. I'm contemplating going back there for a short stint. The one annoying thing, I remember, was that it was relatively annoying to find cheap short term housing (especially if you can't read Chinese).
- patmcguire 12y agoI'm calling nonsense on Omaha costing more than Tokyo.
- homakov 12y agoYou should also add "Visa" field. E.g. any american can live in Europe up to 3 months, but in Thailand it's just 1 m. I lived in Bangkok for about a year, thought I love that city, now their visa policy got stupid, and I would't recommend to settle there for long period (>3 months).
- mmanfrin 12y agoSF is 3/5 for safety? Where's that metric coming from.
- itisbiz 12y agoNice, I like the grid presentation. Looks Bootstrap responsive table? What are you using for the column sort?
- narrator 12y agoAnyone listen to the "Travel Like A Boss" podcast? It's done by a guy living in Chang Mai Thailand. He mainly interviews dropship entrepreneurs. It's crazy because they are making $1500/month running these crappy little niche dropshipping stores but living like someone making $10000/month or more in San Francisco. They have maid service, live in full service buildings with rooftop pools, eat out all the time. It's crazy how cheap things are over there.
- morgante 12y ago> It's crazy because they are making $1500/month running these crappy little niche dropshipping stores but living like someone making $10000/month or more in San Francisco. Sounds like they're living better than people making $10,000/month in SF.
- wnscooke 12y agoThere have been some suggestions to add more about visas... the true nomad really should be getting that information as directly as possible and not relying on a website like this, however helpful and handy it is.
- radikal_shit 12y agoCould you, please, add option to change temperature view to Celsius and integrate option to recalculate $ to several major currencies?
- salih 12y agoAs a Tunisian I feel obliged to put my 2 cents. The cost of life is pretty cheap around here ($500/month is the average salary for a teacher, the minimum income is around $200/m), and its getting cheaper with the decline of the tunisian dinar Vs $ & € I live near the cities of Sousse & Monastir, and i can share few thoughts: - rent for a decent apartement is about $300/m in the city and less than $200 outside - food is relatively cheap around here, with a wide variety of fresh fish - Monastir is a beatiful city, good climate, excellent beaches, the travel to the aeroport cost less than15 min and 50 cent , with weekly/biweekly flights to major european cities. - Tunisia is actually very safe and stable, major touristic destinations(hammamat, sousse, monastir, djerba (which btw is a very decent destination) are given more attention by the Interior minister. - internet quality is not on par with the 1st world, 8Mb cost around $40/ m - french is widely spoken, english is understood especially by youth - wikitravel have some good ( and accurate) articles about tunisia & tunisian cities
- baby 12y agoIt's actually weird that no african countries make this list. I mean, I can understand for the rest of Africa but the Maghreb has some pretty nice areas. Maybe the weather is too hot? I wouldn't recommend Morocco though because you get harassed 24/7 if you just look like you have more money than the next one.
- Dartanion7 12y agoWould you say that Tunisia is safer than Morocco? I visited Morocco a few years back and loved it; I wanted to extend my trip to Tunisia, but I was told by a few people that I wouldn't be as safe there as the larger cities aren't as focused on tourism as, say, Marakesch, Tangier, etc.
- salih 12y agoI dont see any reason why you wouldnt be safe. USA lifted the travel alert for Tunisia 2014. More than 6 million tourist entered Tunisia in 2013 (compared to 10M in morroco), the number is expected to be higher in 2014.
- rockdiesel 12y agoHow is Omaha more expensive than Tokyo?
- elwell 12y agoThe differentiation between [click to view larger photo] and [click text to go to city's page] threw me off for a few minutes.
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- imaginenore 12y agoCost of living by city: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_current.jsp http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_current.jsp
- splitforce 12y agoNext step is to take some input about user preferences and generate a personalized ranking of places to go. Here's a quick stab at building a 'personalized' desirability index: https://docs.google.com/a/splitforce.com/spreadsheets/d/1u-6ux3bTytFlaBliXTKu5kWyKzEnVhmB9Ph2DC9n2NA/edit#gid=0 https://docs.google.com/a/splitforce.com/spreadsheets/d/1u-6...
- pvnick 12y agoBookmarked. You may not see this comment, but I'm planning to travel and work remotely for a couple years after I graduate at the end of the year, and I think something like this will help a lot. Thank you!
- AliAdams 12y agoI'm not sure where the data is coming from but I'm not convinced Bangkok is worthy of 5/5 stars for safety at the moment.
- benwoodward 12y agoWhat do the points in the left-most column represent?
- brc 12y agoAs someone a bit further up the snakes and ladders board than a lot of younger nomadic types, I woudo like to see a specialised house swapping community around remote workers. This woudo be houses with necessary workspaces, connections and the like. I would happily swap for periods of time during the year, but with dependents in tow. This type of thing woudo be excellent for relocating into time zones suitable for specific projects.
- nikster 12y agoI live in Chiang Mai, which is listed #1 on the list - and yeah I'm here because I love it. But the picture you included is the White Temple in Chiang Rai. It's not in Chiang Mai. Might as well put a picture of Chiang Mai there, particularly if it's on the #1 spot. Not like Chiang Mai doesn't have any temples, there's hundreds and hundreds of them ;)
- gear54rus 12y agoFahrenheit, seriously?:( Good concept though.
- Sly_llama 12y agoAnyone heard of Cluj, Romania? Probably not. What if I told you it's the capital of Transylvania? Located 500 km from Budapest, Belgrade, or Bucharest plus direct flights all over Europe. 20 km from the western Carpathians (hence the lowest level of air pollution in Europe) and some of the fastest bandwidth speeds on the planet. Not sure what else you need for remote work. Check out: http://www.bestcityineurope.com/ http://www.bestcityineurope.com/ and http://ilovecluj.ro/2014/07/16-reasons-cluj-is-the-ideal-city-for-a-new-start/ http://ilovecluj.ro/2014/07/16-reasons-cluj-is-the-ideal-cit...
- maxinnos 12y agoAnyone interested in joining a startup in Chiang Mai, we are based there and connect developers / designers / business folks to others in the area as well. http://tropicaldev.com/jobs/ http://tropicaldev.com/jobs/. We are always hiring! PM if curious about the area, or if you want intros to others here
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