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Sounds like you studied very hard, worked very hard, learned something very valuable and verified that it works at least for you. What you've learned could hel

Sounds like you studied very hard, worked very hard, learned something very valuable and verified that it works at least for you. What you've learned could help a lot of people (like me :). I hope that you find a way to share it with the world. (wouldn't mind a brief summary here...)

SoftwareMaven 12y ago
Look at my response to beaumartinez nearby. For a deeper dive, I wrote up more in the 6th reference I link to there. If you have more questions, please feel free to email me; my email is in my profile. For a lighter-weight dive, you can also take a look at https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4attj5gmxe9cou/InANutshell.md https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4attj5gmxe9cou/InANutshell.md (hopefully that link works :).
- alok-g 12y ago
  Wow! I totally did not know this. Just went through a few Wikipedia articles too. A question I have is what would happen if I cut down carbohydrates, but not increase fat either! I discovered through accidental self-experimentation that cutting down on sugar is helping me, while my diet barely included rice, potatoes, etc. anyways. I used to consume some pasta, but will reduce that too now. What is the purpose behind increasing fat in diet when doing this? Is it to just compensate for calorie loss? Is it to control cravings? One one hand, it is saying that ketogenic diet will help burn body fat, and on the second it says go increase fat consumption! I'll need to do some research to understand how to get carbohydrates to just 20-25 grams per day like you have mentioned. A "Pure Protein" bar I just consumed by itself had 17g! Would it work out if I can get to within 50g of carbs (which is still much lower than 300g you mention for an average American), together with cut down fat too? Or that defeats the whole purpose?! Since I started cutting down on sugar drastically, I have noticed though my craving for sugar has increased (though I am still able to control). Diet soda seems to be helping with these cravings significantly though I am not sure what are the side effects. (I have come across many conflicting studies against soda, so have never been sure!) I am moderately exercising too, gradually increasing. Eggs seem to be recommended in these diets. As someone with borderline cholesterol, would eggs still be recommended? Thanks!
  - iamwithnail 12y ago
    On the total carbs thing - American wrappers tend to include fibre in the total carbs- European ones don't, and you should read up on 'net carb' - but basically, take the fibre value off the total value. If it's ok to do that, it'll look something like: Total carbs: 15g -- fibre 9g -- that sugars 3G Etc. :-) enjoy!
  - Evgeny 12y ago
    What is the purpose behind increasing fat in diet when doing this? Is it to just compensate for calorie loss? Is it to control cravings? It is both. Firstly, for an average person, carbs are a significant part of calorie intake. If you just drop them, and drop fat at the same time, where will you get your calorie intake from? You'll only be left with protein, and it's not so easy to get all your calories from protein. Besides, there is no benefit in reducing fat further than required to achieve some caloric deficit. And also, many people find the combination of fat+protein in meals satiating. One one hand, it is saying that ketogenic diet will help burn body fat, and on the second it says go increase fat consumption! You don't get fat from eating fat. You also don't get fat from eating carbs. You get fat from eating too much calories. The goal is to reduce the amount of calories in a sustainable way. Some do it by eating many small meals, some by 1-2 large meals. Some do it by reducing carbs, and some by reducing fat. Try and see what is the easiest for you. A "Pure Protein" bar I just consumed by itself had 17g! Try to stick to fresh, unprocessed foods, if you can - it's healthier, but also easier to avoid "carb creep" by added sugar and other sources of carb. Fresh vegetables, meats, fish, poultry, eggs, nuts, cheese, cream are very compatible with keto. Eggs seem to be recommended in these diets. As someone with borderline cholesterol, would eggs still be recommended? This is a very controversial subject, and there are multiple books written, and they contradict each other. Ask me for a book recommendation if you wish. :) In short, there are two separate issues: 1. Does dietary cholesterol raise blood cholesterol, and 2. Does blood cholesterol cause heart disease? Overall, it appears that there is still no proof that cholesterol causes heart diseas - most, almost all evidence is just correlation. Eggs appear to be safe regardless of some studies that demonize them. And, just for fun, the following link (it's not a proof of anything as it is n=1 anecdote) Normal Plasma Cholesterol in an 88-Year-Old Man Who Eats 25 Eggs a Day — Mechanisms of Adaptation http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199103283241306 http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199103283241306 Feel free to ask me for more references on specific subjects ...

SoftwareMaven 12y ago

Look at my response to beaumartinez nearby. For a deeper dive, I wrote up more in the 6th reference I link to there. If you have more questions, please feel free to email me; my email is in my profile. For a lighter-weight dive, you can also take a look at https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4attj5gmxe9cou/InANutshell.md https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4attj5gmxe9cou/InANutshell.md (hopefully that link works :).

alok-g 12y ago
Wow! I totally did not know this. Just went through a few Wikipedia articles too. A question I have is what would happen if I cut down carbohydrates, but not increase fat either! I discovered through accidental self-experimentation that cutting down on sugar is helping me, while my diet barely included rice, potatoes, etc. anyways. I used to consume some pasta, but will reduce that too now. What is the purpose behind increasing fat in diet when doing this? Is it to just compensate for calorie loss? Is it to control cravings? One one hand, it is saying that ketogenic diet will help burn body fat, and on the second it says go increase fat consumption! I'll need to do some research to understand how to get carbohydrates to just 20-25 grams per day like you have mentioned. A "Pure Protein" bar I just consumed by itself had 17g! Would it work out if I can get to within 50g of carbs (which is still much lower than 300g you mention for an average American), together with cut down fat too? Or that defeats the whole purpose?! Since I started cutting down on sugar drastically, I have noticed though my craving for sugar has increased (though I am still able to control). Diet soda seems to be helping with these cravings significantly though I am not sure what are the side effects. (I have come across many conflicting studies against soda, so have never been sure!) I am moderately exercising too, gradually increasing. Eggs seem to be recommended in these diets. As someone with borderline cholesterol, would eggs still be recommended? Thanks!
- iamwithnail 12y ago
  On the total carbs thing - American wrappers tend to include fibre in the total carbs- European ones don't, and you should read up on 'net carb' - but basically, take the fibre value off the total value. If it's ok to do that, it'll look something like: Total carbs: 15g -- fibre 9g -- that sugars 3G Etc. :-) enjoy!
- Evgeny 12y ago
  What is the purpose behind increasing fat in diet when doing this? Is it to just compensate for calorie loss? Is it to control cravings? It is both. Firstly, for an average person, carbs are a significant part of calorie intake. If you just drop them, and drop fat at the same time, where will you get your calorie intake from? You'll only be left with protein, and it's not so easy to get all your calories from protein. Besides, there is no benefit in reducing fat further than required to achieve some caloric deficit. And also, many people find the combination of fat+protein in meals satiating. One one hand, it is saying that ketogenic diet will help burn body fat, and on the second it says go increase fat consumption! You don't get fat from eating fat. You also don't get fat from eating carbs. You get fat from eating too much calories. The goal is to reduce the amount of calories in a sustainable way. Some do it by eating many small meals, some by 1-2 large meals. Some do it by reducing carbs, and some by reducing fat. Try and see what is the easiest for you. A "Pure Protein" bar I just consumed by itself had 17g! Try to stick to fresh, unprocessed foods, if you can - it's healthier, but also easier to avoid "carb creep" by added sugar and other sources of carb. Fresh vegetables, meats, fish, poultry, eggs, nuts, cheese, cream are very compatible with keto. Eggs seem to be recommended in these diets. As someone with borderline cholesterol, would eggs still be recommended? This is a very controversial subject, and there are multiple books written, and they contradict each other. Ask me for a book recommendation if you wish. :) In short, there are two separate issues: 1. Does dietary cholesterol raise blood cholesterol, and 2. Does blood cholesterol cause heart disease? Overall, it appears that there is still no proof that cholesterol causes heart diseas - most, almost all evidence is just correlation. Eggs appear to be safe regardless of some studies that demonize them. And, just for fun, the following link (it's not a proof of anything as it is n=1 anecdote) Normal Plasma Cholesterol in an 88-Year-Old Man Who Eats 25 Eggs a Day — Mechanisms of Adaptation http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199103283241306 http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199103283241306 Feel free to ask me for more references on specific subjects ...