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I really appreciate NPR. They truly try to embetter their offerings. It's nice that we have a source of news that is not beholden to advertisers or corporate in

I really appreciate NPR. They truly try to embetter their offerings. It's nice that we have a source of news that is not beholden to advertisers or corporate interests (although the number of 'This content was made possible by donations from...' I hear at the end of the larger shows is a bit worrying). I just wish Says You would release their episodes as a podcast.

FedRegister 12y ago
>It's nice that we have a source of news that is not beholden to advertisers or corporate interests (although the number of 'This content was made possible by donations from...' I hear at the end of the larger shows is a bit worrying). Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing, ain't it? The vast majority of NPR's funding comes from advertisers, excuse me, underwriters. Edit: Well fuck me I'm wrong. Carry on, citizen.
- VikingCoder 12y ago
  > The vast majority No, it doesn't. From what I can see, it's more like 17%. http://www.npr.org/about-npr/178660742/public-radio-finances http://www.npr.org/about-npr/178660742/public-radio-finances
  - embolalia 12y ago
    17% from corporations, but also count foundations if you're looking for underwriters overall, not just corporate interests. Probably also universities and "other" for 41.6% That's still not even remotely close to a vast majority, of course. And I think there's a qualitative difference between getting funding from an organization that wants to increase its bottom line and one that wants to create a more just, verdant, and peaceful world.
    - ethbro 12y ago
      "a more just, verdant, and peaceful world" Well that sponsorship was obviously well-spent!
      - mikeash 12y ago
        I recognize the phrase and can even hear the hosts speaking it in my head... but I couldn't tell you the name of the sponsor. I'm sure it'll come to me.
        kasey_junk 12y ago
        Macarthur foundation. Most famous as being givers of the "genius grants". Founded by the people that owned Bankers Life Insurance.
  - redtexture 12y ago
    The largest part is syndication fees. You're seeing a pie chart about public radio station income, not NPR's income. See further down on the same page, in which it is indicated that 37% of unrestricted NPR income is from program syndication fees. "Program fees and dues paid by our Member Stations are the largest portion of NPR's revenue. This includes fees paid to air the NPR newsmagazines, other programming we produce and distribute and annual member dues." and
  - smsm42 12y ago
    17% is for member stations. In the NPR chart, corporate sponsorship is 25%. I'm not sure if this includes the 17% of 37% that they get from member stations, but I would assume that it does not, thus getting the amount of corporate money in NPR's own revenue to about 31%. Nowhere near vast majority still, even if we assume that "other revenues" and "grants and contributions" may have some corporate money too. I see no way it could be over half with any sane set of assumptions unless I'm completely misinterpreting the data in these diagrams.
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- rquantz 12y ago
  The vast majority of NPR's funding comes from member stations.
dublinben 12y ago
Says You is an independently produced program. They sell individual episodes on their website for a very modest $0.95. You can always listen for free each week on your local station, or through the WGBH stream. http://www.saysyou.net/zencart/ http://www.saysyou.net/zencart/
javaun 12y ago
I was going to put this into a thread below re: public vs. private NPR APIs, but it seems more relevant here. Content programming fees are NPR's main form of revenue. When your station WXYZ holds a fundraiser, you donate to them, not to NPR. WXYZ pays NPR on a sliding scale. A station with 1 million listeners pays roughly 10x what a station with 100k listeners pay. NPR is actually barred from accepting donations directly, again "bypass". (NPR can take big one-time gifts, like the Joan Kroc $250M). Stations pay the biggest dollars for the big "tent pole" shows (Morning Edition/All Things Considered) and this supports many other program and functions. In the FM world, stations have basically had exclusive distribution right. Digital changes that, of course, and creates the "bypass" I mentioned below. This is why you've never seen a ME/ATC podcast (I'm the anonymous answerer here: http://www.quora.com/Why-does-NPR-not-offer-All-Things-Considered-as-a-podcast-through-iTunes/answers/356728 http://www.quora.com/Why-does-NPR-not-offer-All-Things-Consi...) It's very possible (and was being discussed) that since listeners are logged on, NPR One could know if you're a supporter and suppress the pledge drive. The challenge is that NPR and it's stations are still tethered together by the governance model. No one can "go it alone" without some changes, they'll either weather disruption together or fail together.
- dredmorbius 12y ago
  I'm generally aware of much of this, but it suggests an interesting argument about economics, in general. Pay according to ability, "tent-pole" products (these exist in for-profit services and retail as well), etc.
  - javaun 12y ago
    I love the intention of making the shows affordable and peg costs to a per-user basis. The reality in the U.S. is that big urban markets like NY, Boston, SF, LA, Washington, etc. are flush with cash, while stations in in small rural markets struggle to make ends meet. If federal assistance to CPB dried up, it's these largely underserved rural markets that would go dark, not big cities.
    - dredmorbius 12y ago

FedRegister 12y ago

>It's nice that we have a source of news that is not beholden to advertisers or corporate interests (although the number of 'This content was made possible by donations from...' I hear at the end of the larger shows is a bit worrying). Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing, ain't it? The vast majority of NPR's funding comes from advertisers, excuse me, underwriters. Edit: Well fuck me I'm wrong. Carry on, citizen.

VikingCoder 12y ago
> The vast majority No, it doesn't. From what I can see, it's more like 17%. http://www.npr.org/about-npr/178660742/public-radio-finances http://www.npr.org/about-npr/178660742/public-radio-finances
- embolalia 12y ago
  17% from corporations, but also count foundations if you're looking for underwriters overall, not just corporate interests. Probably also universities and "other" for 41.6% That's still not even remotely close to a vast majority, of course. And I think there's a qualitative difference between getting funding from an organization that wants to increase its bottom line and one that wants to create a more just, verdant, and peaceful world.
  - ethbro 12y ago
    "a more just, verdant, and peaceful world" Well that sponsorship was obviously well-spent!
    - mikeash 12y ago
      I recognize the phrase and can even hear the hosts speaking it in my head... but I couldn't tell you the name of the sponsor. I'm sure it'll come to me.
      - kasey_junk 12y ago
        Macarthur foundation. Most famous as being givers of the "genius grants". Founded by the people that owned Bankers Life Insurance.
- redtexture 12y ago
  The largest part is syndication fees. You're seeing a pie chart about public radio station income, not NPR's income. See further down on the same page, in which it is indicated that 37% of unrestricted NPR income is from program syndication fees. "Program fees and dues paid by our Member Stations are the largest portion of NPR's revenue. This includes fees paid to air the NPR newsmagazines, other programming we produce and distribute and annual member dues." and
- smsm42 12y ago
  17% is for member stations. In the NPR chart, corporate sponsorship is 25%. I'm not sure if this includes the 17% of 37% that they get from member stations, but I would assume that it does not, thus getting the amount of corporate money in NPR's own revenue to about 31%. Nowhere near vast majority still, even if we assume that "other revenues" and "grants and contributions" may have some corporate money too. I see no way it could be over half with any sane set of assumptions unless I'm completely misinterpreting the data in these diagrams.
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rquantz 12y ago
The vast majority of NPR's funding comes from member stations.

dublinben 12y ago

Says You is an independently produced program. They sell individual episodes on their website for a very modest $0.95. You can always listen for free each week on your local station, or through the WGBH stream. http://www.saysyou.net/zencart/ http://www.saysyou.net/zencart/

javaun 12y ago

I was going to put this into a thread below re: public vs. private NPR APIs, but it seems more relevant here. Content programming fees are NPR's main form of revenue. When your station WXYZ holds a fundraiser, you donate to them, not to NPR. WXYZ pays NPR on a sliding scale. A station with 1 million listeners pays roughly 10x what a station with 100k listeners pay. NPR is actually barred from accepting donations directly, again "bypass". (NPR can take big one-time gifts, like the Joan Kroc $250M). Stations pay the biggest dollars for the big "tent pole" shows (Morning Edition/All Things Considered) and this supports many other program and functions. In the FM world, stations have basically had exclusive distribution right. Digital changes that, of course, and creates the "bypass" I mentioned below. This is why you've never seen a ME/ATC podcast (I'm the anonymous answerer here: http://www.quora.com/Why-does-NPR-not-offer-All-Things-Considered-as-a-podcast-through-iTunes/answers/356728 http://www.quora.com/Why-does-NPR-not-offer-All-Things-Consi...) It's very possible (and was being discussed) that since listeners are logged on, NPR One could know if you're a supporter and suppress the pledge drive. The challenge is that NPR and it's stations are still tethered together by the governance model. No one can "go it alone" without some changes, they'll either weather disruption together or fail together.

dredmorbius 12y ago
I'm generally aware of much of this, but it suggests an interesting argument about economics, in general. Pay according to ability, "tent-pole" products (these exist in for-profit services and retail as well), etc.
- javaun 12y ago
  I love the intention of making the shows affordable and peg costs to a per-user basis. The reality in the U.S. is that big urban markets like NY, Boston, SF, LA, Washington, etc. are flush with cash, while stations in in small rural markets struggle to make ends meet. If federal assistance to CPB dried up, it's these largely underserved rural markets that would go dark, not big cities.
  - dredmorbius 12y ago