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I don't really know what use they have of such documents. I mean there aren't that many places in the world where you could sell that. I still wonder if any te

by jokoon 12y ago

I don't really know what use they have of such documents. I mean there aren't that many places in the world where you could sell that. I still wonder if any tech developed by iron dome is really useful at all for terrorits, Russia or china. I mean if hamas really has enough resource to build stealth rockets, or rockets than would be able to dodge iron dome, but I don't think they really have the resources to develop such thing.

Kalium 12y ago
This is China, so they likely want to adapt and use the designs themselves.
binarymax 12y ago
Or china develops the tech, and gives it to those who would work to further disrupt the region? The question is - what does China gain from an even more chaotic middle east?
- yellowapple 12y ago
  Perhaps to throw a wrench into U.S. interests there? Being able to provide internal details of Israel's defense systems to anti-Israel factions would make U.S. intervention more necessary, allowing China a little more wiggle-room to do... something.
  - XorNot 12y ago
    Defeating radar technology is still an uphill battle though. For a quick look at what you're dealing with, try Googling investigations on disrupting police radar guns (which is a very similar technology really as far as tracking radars for projectiles go). I've no doubt a state might be able to come up with a counter-measure based on this, but it would not at all be cheap or easy to implement (and Iron Dome doesn't work well enough to justify it in a normal war situation).
tomjen3 12y ago
My guess is that China isn't particularly interested in the Iron Dome. Sounds more like the UAVs and they got Iron Dome by dragnet as a sort of added bonus.
- SEJeff 12y ago
  Well in future conflicts if the US or Israel were to deploy it against them (China), having the full schematics of it would certainly be beneficial. Seems right out of the PLA playbook to me. That being said, Israel and the US are a decade ahead of the Chinese in UAV technology and they know it. Letting us do the R&D and them steal the secrets is certainly an expedient way to close that gap.
bediger4000 12y ago
I always wondered the same thing, when I worked at aerospace companies. I mean, how much use can stolen blueprints be in inches and pounds to countries on the metric system? And that's just for starters. A lot of the time, the engineers barely understood what kept a vehicle together and functioning. How would a bunch of engineers from a completely different culture understand them? Also, just copying is going to lead you down strange alleys. I can recall one proposed engineering change to a drawing so that the drawing had the actual bolt hole size on it, not some smaller size. Yes, that's right, the 15 year old drawing had smaller bolt holes specified than actually were on the real, physical hatches. Stuff like that happens all the time. A simple copy might not be flightworthy, much less fit to assemble.
- at-fates-hands 12y ago
  I was thinking along the same line. Even worse, what if the company moved the blueprints to a different server, and they got really early prototype versions of the blueprints? I've worked at several places who moved, changed and deleted projects on various servers on a regular basis during the course of a big project.
- jonknee 12y ago
  Units are quite easy to convert, but I think there are lots of obvious reasons this information was sought. First off it was really cheap to steal and had nearly zero risk (Israel has no way to prosecute anyone in China). Simply the psychological factor of knowing that your secrets could be known to anyone who wants them is justification for such a hack. Finding solutions to problems or weak points in the system are a nice cherry on top.
  - walshemj 12y ago
    Er China's doing a lot of work in Africa and where Mossad/Isreal have contacts going back decades. And Mossad is a lot less fussy about using what one SIS officer called the "bumping off squad".
  - bediger4000 12y ago
    Units are indeed easy to convert: getting an equivalent bolt or rivet or hi-shear or what have you is not. ISO or DIN thread on a bolt isn't the same as ANSI thread, either, they have different strength and fatigue characteristics. Fasteners are a big deal in airframes - in order to be light enough to fly, they have to have stressed skin construction. That means correct size, materials, number and fatigue properties of fasteners are key. You're grossly underestimating the amount of work that goes into fasteners and how hard it would be to choose ISO, or Russian or Chinese equivalents. As for the psychology of your secrets being out there, we used to wonder who in the company was leaking info to "Aviation Week". Every project I worked on that had a feature in "Aviation Week" had no general secrets. It was all there, in detail.

by jokoon 12y ago

Kalium 12y ago

This is China, so they likely want to adapt and use the designs themselves.

binarymax 12y ago

Or china develops the tech, and gives it to those who would work to further disrupt the region? The question is - what does China gain from an even more chaotic middle east?

yellowapple 12y ago
Perhaps to throw a wrench into U.S. interests there? Being able to provide internal details of Israel's defense systems to anti-Israel factions would make U.S. intervention more necessary, allowing China a little more wiggle-room to do... something.
- XorNot 12y ago
  Defeating radar technology is still an uphill battle though. For a quick look at what you're dealing with, try Googling investigations on disrupting police radar guns (which is a very similar technology really as far as tracking radars for projectiles go). I've no doubt a state might be able to come up with a counter-measure based on this, but it would not at all be cheap or easy to implement (and Iron Dome doesn't work well enough to justify it in a normal war situation).

tomjen3 12y ago

My guess is that China isn't particularly interested in the Iron Dome. Sounds more like the UAVs and they got Iron Dome by dragnet as a sort of added bonus.

SEJeff 12y ago
Well in future conflicts if the US or Israel were to deploy it against them (China), having the full schematics of it would certainly be beneficial. Seems right out of the PLA playbook to me. That being said, Israel and the US are a decade ahead of the Chinese in UAV technology and they know it. Letting us do the R&D and them steal the secrets is certainly an expedient way to close that gap.

bediger4000 12y ago

I always wondered the same thing, when I worked at aerospace companies. I mean, how much use can stolen blueprints be in inches and pounds to countries on the metric system? And that's just for starters. A lot of the time, the engineers barely understood what kept a vehicle together and functioning. How would a bunch of engineers from a completely different culture understand them? Also, just copying is going to lead you down strange alleys. I can recall one proposed engineering change to a drawing so that the drawing had the actual bolt hole size on it, not some smaller size. Yes, that's right, the 15 year old drawing had smaller bolt holes specified than actually were on the real, physical hatches. Stuff like that happens all the time. A simple copy might not be flightworthy, much less fit to assemble.

at-fates-hands 12y ago
I was thinking along the same line. Even worse, what if the company moved the blueprints to a different server, and they got really early prototype versions of the blueprints? I've worked at several places who moved, changed and deleted projects on various servers on a regular basis during the course of a big project.
jonknee 12y ago
Units are quite easy to convert, but I think there are lots of obvious reasons this information was sought. First off it was really cheap to steal and had nearly zero risk (Israel has no way to prosecute anyone in China). Simply the psychological factor of knowing that your secrets could be known to anyone who wants them is justification for such a hack. Finding solutions to problems or weak points in the system are a nice cherry on top.
- walshemj 12y ago
  Er China's doing a lot of work in Africa and where Mossad/Isreal have contacts going back decades. And Mossad is a lot less fussy about using what one SIS officer called the "bumping off squad".
- bediger4000 12y ago
  Units are indeed easy to convert: getting an equivalent bolt or rivet or hi-shear or what have you is not. ISO or DIN thread on a bolt isn't the same as ANSI thread, either, they have different strength and fatigue characteristics. Fasteners are a big deal in airframes - in order to be light enough to fly, they have to have stressed skin construction. That means correct size, materials, number and fatigue properties of fasteners are key. You're grossly underestimating the amount of work that goes into fasteners and how hard it would be to choose ISO, or Russian or Chinese equivalents. As for the psychology of your secrets being out there, we used to wonder who in the company was leaking info to "Aviation Week". Every project I worked on that had a feature in "Aviation Week" had no general secrets. It was all there, in detail.