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Paris syndrome

74 points by ejr 12y ago

bellerocky 12y ago
Seems like a variant of culture shock[1] which has similar characteristics. The difference being the degree of anxiety experienced seems to be particularly acute for a minority of Japanese tourists in Paris. Anthropologists and ethnographers are trained in, and can experience severe culture shock since their goal is often immersion to learn more about a culture. Panic attacks in severe cases of culture shock are not uncommon, one of my professors did a stint in Spain and lost it when she saw a slaughtered pig being carried through a market place. She described being short of breath, and other classic symptoms of a panic attack. Another instance I know of is a Japanese American female anthropologist being immersed into Japanese culture while staying as a guest at a family. She found herself panicking at the supermarket. After nearly a year there, dressed in "homewear" with a stroller and the family's children looking to buy food to make for the night's dinner, in the midst of the crushing social obligations she had such an identity crisis right then and there that she abandoned ship and moved in with a friend she knew in Tokyo. She still finished her book, which is really good. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_shock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_shock
- new299 12y ago
  What's the name of the book?
  - bellerocky 12y ago
    The name of the book is "Crafting Selves" by Dorinne Kondo http://www.amazon.com/Crafting-Selves-Discourses-Identity-Workplace/dp/0226450449 http://www.amazon.com/Crafting-Selves-Discourses-Identity-Wo...
tshadwell 12y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture-bound_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture-bound_syndrome Many of these are also just as interesting
CountHackulus 12y ago
Basically it's when you realize that it's just another bullshit town. (Though personally, I still love Paris.)
- superfx 12y ago
  For me the biggest shock about visiting Paris the first time was that it was a "real city", and not a boutique town where everything is perfect and manicured. Although, what was most impressive about it was the fact that a real city could be so nearly perfect and manicured (at least the rich parts).
  - tormeh 12y ago
    Oh, I understand you haven't seen the toilets on the subway stations then.
    - superfx 12y ago
      I did say "nearly" ;-)
  - aikah 12y ago
    well the center of Paris is pretty much like that, a big tourist attraction. Unfortunatly,for tourists, a lot of great places are not in the center of Paris. Paris has great parks,especially in the south east where there is a crazy place called "Parc Floral". It's unfortunate that it is not well known to tourists. A few good places : - le Parc Floral (in Vincennes , South East,you can spend the day there you wont regret it). - le Parc de la Vilette - see Paris from the sky with "les ballons de Paris" - the garden of Versailles (dont bother visit the castle itself,it's crap,on the other hand the garden is HUGE ) - go to the Latin neighbourhood ,have a dinner there , then walk down the "quais" , a lot of people their partying. In my opinion if you want to meet new people you should go their. There are thousands of stuffs to do in Paris in Summer,and a lot of them are free.Also each first Sunday of each month, museums are free,so you cant visit the Louvres or the Pompidou center for free,some other museums are free at night,...
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shubb 12y ago
I wonder if there is an ironic mirror syndrome, for Americans who grew up on Japanese media, working as English teachers in Tokyo. Symptoms include a sudden need to acquire custom bingo cards.
- w1ntermute 12y ago
  > Symptoms include a sudden need to acquire custom bingo cards. And to make appointment reminders.
- nemo1618 12y ago
  relevant: http://i.imgur.com/2LvD6jv.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2LvD6jv.jpg
pasbesoin 12y ago
It's hardly fully representative, either, but for a bit of contrast, one can watch the recent series "Engrenages" (English title: "Spiral").
pmorici 12y ago
When I visited Paris I felt like crap because the pollution was horrible. It was apparently so bad that they made the subways free for several days to encourage people to avoid driving their cars.
- johncoltrane 12y ago
  Not only the subway but all the commuter trains and trams as well. IIRC that was the first time they organized something like that.
- VeejayRampay 12y ago
  Courtesy of our brilliant past governments heavily subsidizing diesel vehicles. The air is now filled microparticles causing asthma and general respiratory issues. It's awful.
- contingencies 12y ago
  l'Metro ghetto!
bsaul 12y ago
Fun story : i used to live near the "moulin rouge". Every time i walked to the subway station, from which you can see the moulin rouge, i could see the face of tourists as they climbed up the stairs : first they were a bit surprised because they didn't seem to see it. Then, as they walked up a bit more i could see their face decompose as they realize that that small red stuff stuck between a giant coca cola ad and an old building was actualy the moulin rouge.
- diego_moita 12y ago
  Went to Paris last month. As I left the Blanche metro station that was my reaction. Just turned back and went elsewhere. But, still, your town is one of the most wonderful cities in the world. From the places I visited I would tie it at the top with Venice.
- vitd 12y ago
  My wife and I caught the show there a few years ago. The audience was mostly Japanese businessmen.
- nraynaud 12y ago
  Yeah, I a french guy I would never send a foreigner there. It's something of the past, but in modern time it's not interesting, we're not in 1920 anymore.
- anovikov 12y ago
  But still, the show in the moulin rouge is absolutely amazing, isn't it? That's what the people are for there...
josai 12y ago
Paris-fetishization isn't limited to the japanese. In other asian countries paris is also put on a pedestal as some sort of cultural and fashion peak of civilisation. Just a few weeks ago I was talking to a thai girl who excitedly told me that her lifelong dream was to go to paris - it's so built up there; marketing, films, the setting for drama, and yet some locals seem to lack the context to apply the same sort of reality checks they'd naturally apply to marketing treatment of something more familiar. Paris is a lovely city, in parts, but the "media hologram" builds it up as more than that - it's a utopia, the birthplace of romance and art, a lifestyle. And maybe it is, but not the theme park portrayed in the media. So I found myself wondering what that girl really expects if she ever does make it there, and whether reality would match up to her dream.
- po 12y ago
  Right, like the Paris replica ghost city they built in China. It captures people's imagination as the perfect cultural city: http://www.nextventured.com/2013/china-fake-paris/ http://www.nextventured.com/2013/china-fake-paris/
  - w1ntermute 12y ago
    It's not just Paris. They also built a Manhattan replica ghost city: http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/chinas-hangover/china-replica-manhattan-loses-its-luster http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/chinas-hangover/chin...
- Dewie 12y ago
  That fascination sounds kinda like how many young people where I live relate to the US, though for different reasons.
- meowface 12y ago
  I think many countries hold the same idealization for New York City.
abuddy 12y ago
Can Art Destroy Us? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOlbMWUC-E0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOlbMWUC-E0
- contingencies 12y ago
  == https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stendhal_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stendhal_syndrome
ZenoArrow 12y ago
I've never been to Tokyo, but I've always wanted to, and I wonder if I'll experience a variant of Paris Syndrome if I do... I expect I will, the Tokyo I hope for is some sort of geek paradise, filled with surprising cultural artifacts, but modern culture is so global now I wonder how much surprise will be left.
- aluhut 12y ago
  When I went there for the first time it was a kind of opposite Paris Syndrome. "Tokyo Syndrome". I expected more of a Cyberpunk city. It still was but it was the absolutely clean and working version of it. Everything I've heard of or seen was really there also. All the small streets, those weird shops, strange food, unbelievably different people. I had the feeling that the Japanese are what people thing of Germans. Everything is working so well. The view was stunning. I went to the hotel where they filmed Lost in Translation and it was even BETTER. OK now I really sound like a guy who dresses in furry costumes...but believe me, I don't. I just loved it :)
  - kyleblarson 12y ago
    Additionally, in my Japan experiences, if you politely ask someone for help in Japanese (no matter how terrible your pronunciation / syntax) they will go out of their way to help. I had the exact opposite experience in France.
    - aluhut 12y ago
      Unfortunately this goes so far that (like in my case) you ask someone for directions, they don't know it and still show you some way ;)
GazNewt 12y ago
4 day visit with wife in 2010. Paris for me : Groups of women with clipboards surrounding you trying to pick pocket when you hold the clipboard. The horrible wedding ring women and the blokes that are always nearby. The wrist bracelet creeps. Don't let them grab your wrist, they won't let go unless you pay (saw this happen). Tricked by "helpful" man who gave us fake tickets in exchange for real money. I know. Naive. These sets of cunts really pissed me off. I was glad to get back to to UK I felt safer, I didn't get the impression the police in Paris were tackling the issue. Otherwise very nice and I should go again a bit wiser (just said that for a balanced post).
- raverbashing 12y ago
  Yes, these are awful (and not only in Paris) And the police are not tackling them, but not being naive is a good advice anywhere. Keep off the tourist path and you'll have a much greater time.
  - GazNewt 12y ago
    It's hard to keep off the tourist path on the first visit to Paris with an innocent child-like wife! Next time though I'll enjoy it and put more effort into finding the best places to go.
    - raverbashing 12y ago
      Yes, I understand. Yes, "you have to see the Eiffel tower" (I did that as well)
- TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
  The police try to tackle them, but it's very difficult. A lot of pickpockets are children.
  - GazNewt 12y ago
    Not an easy problem to solve.
Udo 12y ago
I never perceived Paris as a particularly welcoming or friendly city, and I imagine few people do. All the things you read about the Gallic Shrug and general rudeness are absolutely true there, but I found you can have amazing fun if you just choose to be entertained by it instead. In the end, it all boils down to the fact that in Paris, nobody will help you with anything. On the other hand, it's mostly a city where you don't actually need a lot of help to get by. If you can manage to blend in and not care about strangers, it's quite a fun place. The article itself portrays very well that Paris syndrome is probably not real (in a statistical sense). There is a big number of tourists in the city at any given moment, some of them will statistically snap during their stay. I do like the theory that disillusionment and added stress contribute to the timing, though - especially if the trip was expensive. Since the article mentions it, Jerusalem syndrome is similar but qualitatively different. Many people who go there are not just tourists. I'd wager that for over 90% of travelers there the city has some kind of religious significance. They are essentially pilgrims. And you'd have to be to want to go there: the city itself is a dirty, oppressive mess filled with scary people and shady salesmen. Combining these factors, it wouldn't surprise me if the incidence of Jerusalem syndrome was much higher than Paris, mostly due to the clientele but also the city itself. Now Stendhal syndrome is more interesting: it's a generalized description of these kind of psychotic breaks, though they are mostly understood to be a little bit more benign than Jerusalem syndrome. By definition, these effects are attributed to exposure of a susceptible individual to an object of great personal importance, such as a piece of art. In this context, the same pattern of breakdowns has been studied with tourists who snap while visiting Florence.
- contingencies 12y ago
  in Paris, nobody will help you with anything This is absolutely untrue. My French is sub-intermediate, I've been perhaps five times, and I've never had a bad experience. Plenty of people have been super friendly and I've had great conversations with people just hanging around on the street waiting for a store to open or having a break from walking. Perhaps the core of the problem here is that many people who visit Paris are not well traveled and have only limited empathy for the seen-it-all-before-99-times-a-day locals. I mean, if I was busy and had a job to do, and by fate alone simply happened to be near some generic tourist attraction or other, and had whiney American/English/Russian/Chinese tourists come and ask me where the closest vegan restaurant or crossfit gym was ten times an hour like clockwork, I'd also get to the point of shrugging. This is the same genre of people who, when you ask them where they are from, answer "America", because they're honestly unaware that it's blatantly obvious to everyone else and the interlocutor was curious about city or state. We can put it down to cultural discontinuities. They are a blessing we should revel in them while we can, because it seems that all roads lead to generic globalized interactions in a minority of languages with increasingly unsophisticated speakers and reduced cultural appreciation.
bussiere 12y ago
I'am french and from paris. Yes it's true that paris can have some awful side, but there is some beautiful side too. I'am fond of urbex so i've discovered some place that even parisian don't know. And i know a lot of place in paris restaurant pub. If you want to have a good travel take a guide or contact someone local who can give you some tips. I always do that when i go to foreign country. Generaly i visit the local hackerspace and i ask my contacts in other undergrounds if they know someone or some place. Or i contact some people from the undergrounds that i know for advice. Exemple : There s burner everywhere in the world.
- contingencies 12y ago
  I think burners are not likely to be averse to strange mental states and are therefore significantly less likely to collapse in a sulking heap realizing their entire life to date in <home country> with its immense <economic/social> pressure has been a <well-choreographed cubicle waltz/waste of time/linguistic desert> and they should have just left... or that they can't order food.
helen842000 12y ago
Having visted Paris on 10+ occasions it's fair to say it's one of my favorite cities. However I can see how this can happen. The more knowledge you have about the city the better your visit. It's easy to book a bad hotel, it's easy to get lost amid the irregular street patterns and hard to find someone to give directions, it's easy to head into bad neighborhoods & get drawn into scams. It's also very easy to not know any French & think you'll get by. These are all things that can be avoided by an hour of research or alternatively traveling with someone that has been before or on a tour that has a guide. There are so many small tips & tricks that go into experiencing Paris properly. Having arranged visits for many friends & family it CAN be as magical as you'd expect it to be.
- entreprenewb 12y ago
  >These are all things that can be avoided by an hour of research or alternatively traveling with someone that has been before or on a tour that has a guide. I agree! I just came back from a honeymoon in Paris and doing research ahead of time made it a fantastic trip. A couple of guide books, some offline phone apps, knowing some French, and being able to spot sketchy people and bad areas (like any other city) made things very easy. And honestly we never even experienced any stereotypical rude behavior; most locals were happy that I even attempted to speak French.
SimonDawlat 12y ago
As a french entrepreneur who has hosted dozens of US friends in Paris, some of them being prominent members of the "hacker" community as we call it, I have always been struck with amazement at how little "hacking" these friends would apply to their Paris trip, easily falling for the Tour Eiffel visit, desperately wanting to see the Moulin Rouge (which is probably the worst place to visit in all Paris – and probably in all Europe), still marveling at the shitty 50m2 studio in Montmartre or Ile Saint Louis they were about to rent before I offered to host them and show them my version of the city, etc. How can it be 2014 and people still want to experience Paris by showing up on a Saturday morning at Notre Dame only to stand in line for hours amidst hundreds of Japanese people and their cameras the size of a small Segway. I am not saying it is easy to "hack" a city you've never visited before, and for the 2 years I spent myself in San Francisco I still believe I coud have hacked my way around much better. But if I were to provide a few advices to anyone about to embark on a Paris trip, that would be: – Buy the Paris edition of the Lonely Planet and decide to not go to all the places they mention. – Don't come in August (most of the city is basically shut down during the holidays). May, June, July, September, October, November. – Most of the most interesting buildings (+ the overall Haussmannian architecture of Paris) are better seen from the outside: better spend 30 great minutes on le Parvis du Trocadéro watching the Eiffel Tower, than actually waiting 3h in line to get "inside" the Eiffel Tower. – Get in line at museums roughly 1:30 hour before they're about to close: shorter lines, people on their way out. You have less time but it's clearly optimized. – When in doubt, rely on locals: I know many Americans actually living and enjoying their life in Paris. You're always a few friends away on Facebook from knowing someone who lives here. – Somewhere in their inboxes Parisian people have crafted for friends and/or received from friends "lists" of insider places to go that they'll happily forward to you once you've made connexion (I made a very long and detailed one of my favorite restaurants once). – Use local guides. If you're a foodie, following the Lefooding.com recommendations for example is always a guarantee to both eat at wonderful places and visit fun areas where these restaurants are located in. For all the things we suck at if there's one thing the Paris scene is amazingly good at is food & restaurant innovation. – If you're part of the tech community: damn it, you just need to hit your local counterparts. At the opposite of gross taxi drivers, young french tech people are very welcoming and easy to get in touch with. – You can definitely hit me up anytime even if we don't know each other, I'm always happy to help. I'm probably omitting a ton here but there's an apéro down my street with friends waiting for me to show up :)
AlexMuir 12y ago
I'm in Paris at the moment and I absolutely love it. I plan to stay. I was worried that this article would be about some sort of honeymoon period that I'm on - glad to see it's the opposite. There's a lot to love, and I've very quickly found my feet here. There are lots of accessible co-working spaces, and finding accommodation has proven pretty easy so far. Compared to London, the quality of life at the same cost is far, far better. For me at least. The biggest negative find is families of gypsies living on mattresses on the street, which I've never seen anywhere before on this scale. It's shocking to me to see toddlers playing in the gutter of an affluent western city.

74 points by ejr 12y ago

Seems like a variant of culture shock[1] which has similar characteristics. The difference being the degree of anxiety experienced seems to be particularly acute for a minority of Japanese tourists in Paris. Anthropologists and ethnographers are trained in, and can experience severe culture shock since their goal is often immersion to learn more about a culture. Panic attacks in severe cases of culture shock are not uncommon, one of my professors did a stint in Spain and lost it when she saw a slaughtered pig being carried through a market place. She described being short of breath, and other classic symptoms of a panic attack. Another instance I know of is a Japanese American female anthropologist being immersed into Japanese culture while staying as a guest at a family. She found herself panicking at the supermarket. After nearly a year there, dressed in "homewear" with a stroller and the family's children looking to buy food to make for the night's dinner, in the midst of the crushing social obligations she had such an identity crisis right then and there that she abandoned ship and moved in with a friend she knew in Tokyo. She still finished her book, which is really good. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_shock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_shock

new299 12y ago
What's the name of the book?
- bellerocky 12y ago
  The name of the book is "Crafting Selves" by Dorinne Kondo http://www.amazon.com/Crafting-Selves-Discourses-Identity-Workplace/dp/0226450449 http://www.amazon.com/Crafting-Selves-Discourses-Identity-Wo...

tshadwell 12y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture-bound_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture-bound_syndrome Many of these are also just as interesting

CountHackulus 12y ago

Basically it's when you realize that it's just another bullshit town. (Though personally, I still love Paris.)

superfx 12y ago
For me the biggest shock about visiting Paris the first time was that it was a "real city", and not a boutique town where everything is perfect and manicured. Although, what was most impressive about it was the fact that a real city could be so nearly perfect and manicured (at least the rich parts).
- tormeh 12y ago
  Oh, I understand you haven't seen the toilets on the subway stations then.
  - superfx 12y ago
    I did say "nearly" ;-)
- aikah 12y ago
  well the center of Paris is pretty much like that, a big tourist attraction. Unfortunatly,for tourists, a lot of great places are not in the center of Paris. Paris has great parks,especially in the south east where there is a crazy place called "Parc Floral". It's unfortunate that it is not well known to tourists. A few good places : - le Parc Floral (in Vincennes , South East,you can spend the day there you wont regret it). - le Parc de la Vilette - see Paris from the sky with "les ballons de Paris" - the garden of Versailles (dont bother visit the castle itself,it's crap,on the other hand the garden is HUGE ) - go to the Latin neighbourhood ,have a dinner there , then walk down the "quais" , a lot of people their partying. In my opinion if you want to meet new people you should go their. There are thousands of stuffs to do in Paris in Summer,and a lot of them are free.Also each first Sunday of each month, museums are free,so you cant visit the Louvres or the Pompidou center for free,some other museums are free at night,...
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shubb 12y ago

I wonder if there is an ironic mirror syndrome, for Americans who grew up on Japanese media, working as English teachers in Tokyo. Symptoms include a sudden need to acquire custom bingo cards.

w1ntermute 12y ago
> Symptoms include a sudden need to acquire custom bingo cards. And to make appointment reminders.
nemo1618 12y ago
relevant: http://i.imgur.com/2LvD6jv.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2LvD6jv.jpg

pasbesoin 12y ago

It's hardly fully representative, either, but for a bit of contrast, one can watch the recent series "Engrenages" (English title: "Spiral").

pmorici 12y ago

When I visited Paris I felt like crap because the pollution was horrible. It was apparently so bad that they made the subways free for several days to encourage people to avoid driving their cars.

johncoltrane 12y ago
Not only the subway but all the commuter trains and trams as well. IIRC that was the first time they organized something like that.
VeejayRampay 12y ago
Courtesy of our brilliant past governments heavily subsidizing diesel vehicles. The air is now filled microparticles causing asthma and general respiratory issues. It's awful.
contingencies 12y ago
l'Metro ghetto!

bsaul 12y ago

Fun story : i used to live near the "moulin rouge". Every time i walked to the subway station, from which you can see the moulin rouge, i could see the face of tourists as they climbed up the stairs : first they were a bit surprised because they didn't seem to see it. Then, as they walked up a bit more i could see their face decompose as they realize that that small red stuff stuck between a giant coca cola ad and an old building was actualy the moulin rouge.

diego_moita 12y ago
Went to Paris last month. As I left the Blanche metro station that was my reaction. Just turned back and went elsewhere. But, still, your town is one of the most wonderful cities in the world. From the places I visited I would tie it at the top with Venice.
vitd 12y ago
My wife and I caught the show there a few years ago. The audience was mostly Japanese businessmen.
nraynaud 12y ago
Yeah, I a french guy I would never send a foreigner there. It's something of the past, but in modern time it's not interesting, we're not in 1920 anymore.
anovikov 12y ago
But still, the show in the moulin rouge is absolutely amazing, isn't it? That's what the people are for there...

josai 12y ago

Paris-fetishization isn't limited to the japanese. In other asian countries paris is also put on a pedestal as some sort of cultural and fashion peak of civilisation. Just a few weeks ago I was talking to a thai girl who excitedly told me that her lifelong dream was to go to paris - it's so built up there; marketing, films, the setting for drama, and yet some locals seem to lack the context to apply the same sort of reality checks they'd naturally apply to marketing treatment of something more familiar. Paris is a lovely city, in parts, but the "media hologram" builds it up as more than that - it's a utopia, the birthplace of romance and art, a lifestyle. And maybe it is, but not the theme park portrayed in the media. So I found myself wondering what that girl really expects if she ever does make it there, and whether reality would match up to her dream.

po 12y ago
Right, like the Paris replica ghost city they built in China. It captures people's imagination as the perfect cultural city: http://www.nextventured.com/2013/china-fake-paris/ http://www.nextventured.com/2013/china-fake-paris/
- w1ntermute 12y ago
  It's not just Paris. They also built a Manhattan replica ghost city: http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/chinas-hangover/china-replica-manhattan-loses-its-luster http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/chinas-hangover/chin...
Dewie 12y ago
That fascination sounds kinda like how many young people where I live relate to the US, though for different reasons.
meowface 12y ago
I think many countries hold the same idealization for New York City.

abuddy 12y ago

Can Art Destroy Us? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOlbMWUC-E0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOlbMWUC-E0

contingencies 12y ago
== https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stendhal_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stendhal_syndrome

ZenoArrow 12y ago

I've never been to Tokyo, but I've always wanted to, and I wonder if I'll experience a variant of Paris Syndrome if I do... I expect I will, the Tokyo I hope for is some sort of geek paradise, filled with surprising cultural artifacts, but modern culture is so global now I wonder how much surprise will be left.

aluhut 12y ago
When I went there for the first time it was a kind of opposite Paris Syndrome. "Tokyo Syndrome". I expected more of a Cyberpunk city. It still was but it was the absolutely clean and working version of it. Everything I've heard of or seen was really there also. All the small streets, those weird shops, strange food, unbelievably different people. I had the feeling that the Japanese are what people thing of Germans. Everything is working so well. The view was stunning. I went to the hotel where they filmed Lost in Translation and it was even BETTER. OK now I really sound like a guy who dresses in furry costumes...but believe me, I don't. I just loved it :)
- kyleblarson 12y ago
  Additionally, in my Japan experiences, if you politely ask someone for help in Japanese (no matter how terrible your pronunciation / syntax) they will go out of their way to help. I had the exact opposite experience in France.
  - aluhut 12y ago
    Unfortunately this goes so far that (like in my case) you ask someone for directions, they don't know it and still show you some way ;)

GazNewt 12y ago

4 day visit with wife in 2010. Paris for me : Groups of women with clipboards surrounding you trying to pick pocket when you hold the clipboard. The horrible wedding ring women and the blokes that are always nearby. The wrist bracelet creeps. Don't let them grab your wrist, they won't let go unless you pay (saw this happen). Tricked by "helpful" man who gave us fake tickets in exchange for real money. I know. Naive. These sets of cunts really pissed me off. I was glad to get back to to UK I felt safer, I didn't get the impression the police in Paris were tackling the issue. Otherwise very nice and I should go again a bit wiser (just said that for a balanced post).

raverbashing 12y ago
Yes, these are awful (and not only in Paris) And the police are not tackling them, but not being naive is a good advice anywhere. Keep off the tourist path and you'll have a much greater time.
- GazNewt 12y ago
  It's hard to keep off the tourist path on the first visit to Paris with an innocent child-like wife! Next time though I'll enjoy it and put more effort into finding the best places to go.
  - raverbashing 12y ago
    Yes, I understand. Yes, "you have to see the Eiffel tower" (I did that as well)
TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
The police try to tackle them, but it's very difficult. A lot of pickpockets are children.
- GazNewt 12y ago
  Not an easy problem to solve.

Udo 12y ago

I never perceived Paris as a particularly welcoming or friendly city, and I imagine few people do. All the things you read about the Gallic Shrug and general rudeness are absolutely true there, but I found you can have amazing fun if you just choose to be entertained by it instead. In the end, it all boils down to the fact that in Paris, nobody will help you with anything. On the other hand, it's mostly a city where you don't actually need a lot of help to get by. If you can manage to blend in and not care about strangers, it's quite a fun place. The article itself portrays very well that Paris syndrome is probably not real (in a statistical sense). There is a big number of tourists in the city at any given moment, some of them will statistically snap during their stay. I do like the theory that disillusionment and added stress contribute to the timing, though - especially if the trip was expensive. Since the article mentions it, Jerusalem syndrome is similar but qualitatively different. Many people who go there are not just tourists. I'd wager that for over 90% of travelers there the city has some kind of religious significance. They are essentially pilgrims. And you'd have to be to want to go there: the city itself is a dirty, oppressive mess filled with scary people and shady salesmen. Combining these factors, it wouldn't surprise me if the incidence of Jerusalem syndrome was much higher than Paris, mostly due to the clientele but also the city itself. Now Stendhal syndrome is more interesting: it's a generalized description of these kind of psychotic breaks, though they are mostly understood to be a little bit more benign than Jerusalem syndrome. By definition, these effects are attributed to exposure of a susceptible individual to an object of great personal importance, such as a piece of art. In this context, the same pattern of breakdowns has been studied with tourists who snap while visiting Florence.

contingencies 12y ago
in Paris, nobody will help you with anything This is absolutely untrue. My French is sub-intermediate, I've been perhaps five times, and I've never had a bad experience. Plenty of people have been super friendly and I've had great conversations with people just hanging around on the street waiting for a store to open or having a break from walking. Perhaps the core of the problem here is that many people who visit Paris are not well traveled and have only limited empathy for the seen-it-all-before-99-times-a-day locals. I mean, if I was busy and had a job to do, and by fate alone simply happened to be near some generic tourist attraction or other, and had whiney American/English/Russian/Chinese tourists come and ask me where the closest vegan restaurant or crossfit gym was ten times an hour like clockwork, I'd also get to the point of shrugging. This is the same genre of people who, when you ask them where they are from, answer "America", because they're honestly unaware that it's blatantly obvious to everyone else and the interlocutor was curious about city or state. We can put it down to cultural discontinuities. They are a blessing we should revel in them while we can, because it seems that all roads lead to generic globalized interactions in a minority of languages with increasingly unsophisticated speakers and reduced cultural appreciation.

bussiere 12y ago

I'am french and from paris. Yes it's true that paris can have some awful side, but there is some beautiful side too. I'am fond of urbex so i've discovered some place that even parisian don't know. And i know a lot of place in paris restaurant pub. If you want to have a good travel take a guide or contact someone local who can give you some tips. I always do that when i go to foreign country. Generaly i visit the local hackerspace and i ask my contacts in other undergrounds if they know someone or some place. Or i contact some people from the undergrounds that i know for advice. Exemple : There s burner everywhere in the world.

contingencies 12y ago
I think burners are not likely to be averse to strange mental states and are therefore significantly less likely to collapse in a sulking heap realizing their entire life to date in <home country> with its immense <economic/social> pressure has been a <well-choreographed cubicle waltz/waste of time/linguistic desert> and they should have just left... or that they can't order food.

helen842000 12y ago

Having visted Paris on 10+ occasions it's fair to say it's one of my favorite cities. However I can see how this can happen. The more knowledge you have about the city the better your visit. It's easy to book a bad hotel, it's easy to get lost amid the irregular street patterns and hard to find someone to give directions, it's easy to head into bad neighborhoods & get drawn into scams. It's also very easy to not know any French & think you'll get by. These are all things that can be avoided by an hour of research or alternatively traveling with someone that has been before or on a tour that has a guide. There are so many small tips & tricks that go into experiencing Paris properly. Having arranged visits for many friends & family it CAN be as magical as you'd expect it to be.

entreprenewb 12y ago
>These are all things that can be avoided by an hour of research or alternatively traveling with someone that has been before or on a tour that has a guide. I agree! I just came back from a honeymoon in Paris and doing research ahead of time made it a fantastic trip. A couple of guide books, some offline phone apps, knowing some French, and being able to spot sketchy people and bad areas (like any other city) made things very easy. And honestly we never even experienced any stereotypical rude behavior; most locals were happy that I even attempted to speak French.

SimonDawlat 12y ago

As a french entrepreneur who has hosted dozens of US friends in Paris, some of them being prominent members of the "hacker" community as we call it, I have always been struck with amazement at how little "hacking" these friends would apply to their Paris trip, easily falling for the Tour Eiffel visit, desperately wanting to see the Moulin Rouge (which is probably the worst place to visit in all Paris – and probably in all Europe), still marveling at the shitty 50m2 studio in Montmartre or Ile Saint Louis they were about to rent before I offered to host them and show them my version of the city, etc. How can it be 2014 and people still want to experience Paris by showing up on a Saturday morning at Notre Dame only to stand in line for hours amidst hundreds of Japanese people and their cameras the size of a small Segway. I am not saying it is easy to "hack" a city you've never visited before, and for the 2 years I spent myself in San Francisco I still believe I coud have hacked my way around much better. But if I were to provide a few advices to anyone about to embark on a Paris trip, that would be: – Buy the Paris edition of the Lonely Planet and decide to not go to all the places they mention. – Don't come in August (most of the city is basically shut down during the holidays). May, June, July, September, October, November. – Most of the most interesting buildings (+ the overall Haussmannian architecture of Paris) are better seen from the outside: better spend 30 great minutes on le Parvis du Trocadéro watching the Eiffel Tower, than actually waiting 3h in line to get "inside" the Eiffel Tower. – Get in line at museums roughly 1:30 hour before they're about to close: shorter lines, people on their way out. You have less time but it's clearly optimized. – When in doubt, rely on locals: I know many Americans actually living and enjoying their life in Paris. You're always a few friends away on Facebook from knowing someone who lives here. – Somewhere in their inboxes Parisian people have crafted for friends and/or received from friends "lists" of insider places to go that they'll happily forward to you once you've made connexion (I made a very long and detailed one of my favorite restaurants once). – Use local guides. If you're a foodie, following the Lefooding.com recommendations for example is always a guarantee to both eat at wonderful places and visit fun areas where these restaurants are located in. For all the things we suck at if there's one thing the Paris scene is amazingly good at is food & restaurant innovation. – If you're part of the tech community: damn it, you just need to hit your local counterparts. At the opposite of gross taxi drivers, young french tech people are very welcoming and easy to get in touch with. – You can definitely hit me up anytime even if we don't know each other, I'm always happy to help. I'm probably omitting a ton here but there's an apéro down my street with friends waiting for me to show up :)

AlexMuir 12y ago

I'm in Paris at the moment and I absolutely love it. I plan to stay. I was worried that this article would be about some sort of honeymoon period that I'm on - glad to see it's the opposite. There's a lot to love, and I've very quickly found my feet here. There are lots of accessible co-working spaces, and finding accommodation has proven pretty easy so far. Compared to London, the quality of life at the same cost is far, far better. For me at least. The biggest negative find is families of gypsies living on mattresses on the street, which I've never seen anywhere before on this scale. It's shocking to me to see toddlers playing in the gutter of an affluent western city.