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I find myself deferring to the OS more and more these days, specifying simply "sans-serif" and "serif" where the precision doesn't matter. A bonus is that your

I find myself deferring to the OS more and more these days, specifying simply "sans-serif" and "serif" where the precision doesn't matter. A bonus is that your page will listen to browser preferences.

pbhjpbhj 17y ago
I'd speculate that few users know that a preferred font is set by the browser and will simply think the designer set a fugly font or at least set the one most other pages seem to use.
- erlanger 17y ago
  Arial is the default sans on Windows, and Helvetica on Mac, so I'm not sure what "fugly font" you're talking about.
  - pbhjpbhj 17y ago
    I was meaning if the designer sets "sans" (or serif or fantasy, etc.) then the user doesn't know the origin of the actual font choice (their browser default and OS installation) but will assume that the specific font used was that chosen by the designer. Most users won't compare a page on multiple OS, those that do may still not realise the source of the displayed font (they could assume the designer chose different fonts for different browsers or OS, say) and so would not know how to alter which font is used.
    - erlanger 17y ago
      There are many situations when DejaVu Sans, Helvetica, and Arial look equally good. The print designer notion that the design must look identical everywhere is obsolete for the web, which remains a medium controlled by the user. Jakob Nielsen has written a ton on this subject.
      - pbhjpbhj 17y ago
        Was that in response to my comment - I'm intensely aware of the pitfalls print designers fall into having remonstrated with several against static design and over specification of visuals. Nielsen is good (perhaps a tiny touch purist for me), I seldom disagree, however, with the overarching theme of the Alertbox posts. The web in theory is a user-controlled medium, in practice it is controlled by a mixture of web designers and browser makers; browser defaults of appearance and behaviour are pretty convergent. Like I intimated, the common user barely knows the term "browser" never mind where the font settings are. Whilst one can overload a pages CSS with one's own stylesheet nobody appears to do that.

pbhjpbhj 17y ago

I'd speculate that few users know that a preferred font is set by the browser and will simply think the designer set a fugly font or at least set the one most other pages seem to use.

erlanger 17y ago
Arial is the default sans on Windows, and Helvetica on Mac, so I'm not sure what "fugly font" you're talking about.
- pbhjpbhj 17y ago
  I was meaning if the designer sets "sans" (or serif or fantasy, etc.) then the user doesn't know the origin of the actual font choice (their browser default and OS installation) but will assume that the specific font used was that chosen by the designer. Most users won't compare a page on multiple OS, those that do may still not realise the source of the displayed font (they could assume the designer chose different fonts for different browsers or OS, say) and so would not know how to alter which font is used.
  - erlanger 17y ago
    There are many situations when DejaVu Sans, Helvetica, and Arial look equally good. The print designer notion that the design must look identical everywhere is obsolete for the web, which remains a medium controlled by the user. Jakob Nielsen has written a ton on this subject.
    - pbhjpbhj 17y ago
      Was that in response to my comment - I'm intensely aware of the pitfalls print designers fall into having remonstrated with several against static design and over specification of visuals. Nielsen is good (perhaps a tiny touch purist for me), I seldom disagree, however, with the overarching theme of the Alertbox posts. The web in theory is a user-controlled medium, in practice it is controlled by a mixture of web designers and browser makers; browser defaults of appearance and behaviour are pretty convergent. Like I intimated, the common user barely knows the term "browser" never mind where the font settings are. Whilst one can overload a pages CSS with one's own stylesheet nobody appears to do that.