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only it's not capitalism. It's crony capitalism / government enforced oligarchies where there _is_ no market rate...

by virtue3 12y ago

opendais 12y ago
Microsoft was a government enforced ogliarchy too? :/
- icebraining 12y ago
  Sure. Software patents are an obvious case of State enforced monopolism.
  - opendais 12y ago
    Software patents aren't what created Microsoft or its monopoly. Apple, Linux both survived just fine. They just didn't control a ridiculous percentage of the market.
    - perrylaj 12y ago
      It's a little disingenuous to claim that Apple and Linux 'survived just fine'. During Microsoft's height, Linux was in its infancy, and Apple would have likely died were it not for Microsoft's $150M investment in Apple mere weeks before it was to file bankruptcy. Though, I'll agree that software patents weren't what created the MS monopoly (though they are certainly using them now to try and hold on to their current market). There were many factors that led to MS's monopoly, some of which the government (and/or its negligence) was party to.
- marcosdumay 12y ago
  MS Office is a government imposed monopoly on several places. But even where it's not government imposed, it's imposed by society, a real problem that should be fixed by governments.
  - fleitz 12y ago
    Maybe 10 to 20 years ago it was, but seriously MS Office doesn't even run on the majority of computers (phones & tablets) today.
    - ac29 12y ago
      https://office.microsoft.com/en-us/mobile/ https://office.microsoft.com/en-us/mobile/
  - opendais 12y ago
    My point was natural monopolies do exist w/o government intervention so its kinda BS to claim capitalism doens't create them.
  - hyperliner 12y ago
    How do you propose governments should fix the "society-imposed monopoly"? Why would society be interested in having governments that grow their role to such tasks?
    - virtue3 12y ago
      the government very easily could have imposed an academic rich-text file format that was available for all platforms... and bypassing the whole .doc/.pdf closed fiasco... :/
- fleitz 12y ago
  No it isn't but the phone/cable/cell system very much is.

only it's not capitalism. It's crony capitalism / government enforced oligarchies where there _is_ no market rate...

by virtue3 12y ago

only it's not capitalism. It's crony capitalism / government enforced oligarchies where there _is_ no market rate...

opendais 12y ago

Microsoft was a government enforced ogliarchy too? :/

icebraining 12y ago
Sure. Software patents are an obvious case of State enforced monopolism.
- opendais 12y ago
  Software patents aren't what created Microsoft or its monopoly. Apple, Linux both survived just fine. They just didn't control a ridiculous percentage of the market.
  - perrylaj 12y ago
    It's a little disingenuous to claim that Apple and Linux 'survived just fine'. During Microsoft's height, Linux was in its infancy, and Apple would have likely died were it not for Microsoft's $150M investment in Apple mere weeks before it was to file bankruptcy. Though, I'll agree that software patents weren't what created the MS monopoly (though they are certainly using them now to try and hold on to their current market). There were many factors that led to MS's monopoly, some of which the government (and/or its negligence) was party to.
marcosdumay 12y ago
MS Office is a government imposed monopoly on several places. But even where it's not government imposed, it's imposed by society, a real problem that should be fixed by governments.
- fleitz 12y ago
  Maybe 10 to 20 years ago it was, but seriously MS Office doesn't even run on the majority of computers (phones & tablets) today.
  - ac29 12y ago
    https://office.microsoft.com/en-us/mobile/ https://office.microsoft.com/en-us/mobile/
- opendais 12y ago
  My point was natural monopolies do exist w/o government intervention so its kinda BS to claim capitalism doens't create them.
- hyperliner 12y ago
  How do you propose governments should fix the "society-imposed monopoly"? Why would society be interested in having governments that grow their role to such tasks?
  - virtue3 12y ago
    the government very easily could have imposed an academic rich-text file format that was available for all platforms... and bypassing the whole .doc/.pdf closed fiasco... :/
fleitz 12y ago
No it isn't but the phone/cable/cell system very much is.