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So, a named-data networking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Named_data_networking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Named_data_networking project. > Named data netwo

by leoc 12y ago

So, a named-data networking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Named_data_networking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Named_data_networking project. > Named data networking (also content-centric networking, content-based networking, data-oriented networking or information-centric networking) is an alternative approach to the architecture of computer networks. Its founding principle is that a communication network should allow a user to focus on the data he or she needs, rather than having to reference a specific, physical location where that data is to be retrieved from. This stems from the fact that the vast majority of current Internet usage (a "high 90% level of traffic") consists of data being disseminated from a source to a number of users. (Another idea with a Ted Nelson pedigree, btw.) Van Jacobson's working on another, NSF-funded project in this area http://named-data.net/ http://named-data.net/ at present.

_prometheus 12y ago
Yeah, related! I haven't looked extensively into NDN, still need to sink into it, but good thing Van Jacobson's doing it! :) Contrast points: IPFS is an implementation at the leaves of the network (rather than calling for routers to change initially), can be mounted as a filesystem, maps to the web (string paths as URLs), and provides a Merkle DAG data model.
- ilaksh 12y ago
  I don't see how its fundamentally a different concept. Named-data networking is a loose category of proposals, doesn't necessarily need routers to change. Obviously you can't tell that other guy what to do but if IPFS doesn't inform that other effort then I think they are going to be wasting time. Anyway I hope you will very seriously look at the various different approaches to NDN (with several different names) as a loose category and consider attempting to recruit from or merge with or interface with other efforts (there are many similar systems) and possibly expanding the scope a little if necessary. We really do need a new internet. Also what do you think of operational transformations, do they relate in any way to IPFS or future IPFS capabilities?
  - _prometheus 12y ago
    Yeah, I'm all for consolidating efforts. I'll be looking into NDN more. Though there's only so many minutes in a day-- if you can help me figure out who's great there to talk to, drop me a line juan@ipfs.io (other than Van Jacobson, ofc. will go talk to him at some point.) On OTs: yep! you can implement OTs on a merkle dag trivially, so you can build files from OTs. So! apps can use OTs as first class data structures and store directly onto IPFS.
ned 12y ago
Yes! Ted Nelson talks about this in this amazing and inspiring Google Talk video from 2006. He talks about the rise of packet-based networking, and how the future will be content-centric. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCZMoY3q2uM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCZMoY3q2uM
- ivank 12y ago
  That's Van Jacobson, not Ted Nelson

by leoc 12y ago

_prometheus 12y ago

Yeah, related! I haven't looked extensively into NDN, still need to sink into it, but good thing Van Jacobson's doing it! :) Contrast points: IPFS is an implementation at the leaves of the network (rather than calling for routers to change initially), can be mounted as a filesystem, maps to the web (string paths as URLs), and provides a Merkle DAG data model.

ilaksh 12y ago
I don't see how its fundamentally a different concept. Named-data networking is a loose category of proposals, doesn't necessarily need routers to change. Obviously you can't tell that other guy what to do but if IPFS doesn't inform that other effort then I think they are going to be wasting time. Anyway I hope you will very seriously look at the various different approaches to NDN (with several different names) as a loose category and consider attempting to recruit from or merge with or interface with other efforts (there are many similar systems) and possibly expanding the scope a little if necessary. We really do need a new internet. Also what do you think of operational transformations, do they relate in any way to IPFS or future IPFS capabilities?
- _prometheus 12y ago
  Yeah, I'm all for consolidating efforts. I'll be looking into NDN more. Though there's only so many minutes in a day-- if you can help me figure out who's great there to talk to, drop me a line juan@ipfs.io (other than Van Jacobson, ofc. will go talk to him at some point.) On OTs: yep! you can implement OTs on a merkle dag trivially, so you can build files from OTs. So! apps can use OTs as first class data structures and store directly onto IPFS.

ned 12y ago

Yes! Ted Nelson talks about this in this amazing and inspiring Google Talk video from 2006. He talks about the rise of packet-based networking, and how the future will be content-centric. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCZMoY3q2uM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCZMoY3q2uM

ivank 12y ago
That's Van Jacobson, not Ted Nelson