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Overcast – A powerful yet simple iPhone podcast player
- smackfu 12y agoOk, the live levels display is adorable. And it displays even when you go back to the list. I am delighted, dammit.
- pflats 12y agoOvercast's settings page encourages you to try Marco's competitors if you don't like his app, right above the export option. Ballsy and classy. (http://i.imgur.com/xO09x8d.png http://i.imgur.com/xO09x8d.png) It's a shame his two tentpole features (Smart Speed, Voice Boost) are locked behind the paywall, though. I'd have liked to try them out before dropping a sawbuck. Not sure if that's part of Apple's "no time-limited demos" policy, a business decision, or both. edit: apparently I should have tried the effects menu before posting; they are apparently available for 5 minutes at a time without paying. (I say apparently because I already unlocked the app and can't easily verify the replies below.)
- skywhopper 12y agoI dunno, if those features work as advertised, they seem like a pretty huge innovation. Definitely worth the money.
- MBCook 12y agoThere are quick little clips in the MacStories.net review: http://www.macstories.net/reviews/overcast-review/ http://www.macstories.net/reviews/overcast-review/
- nicky0 12y agoCool features although not "new". RSSRadio for iOS has had both silence removal and voice boost features for a long time.
- solutionyogi 12y agoI don't know if you are from USA or not but 4.99 is a very reasonable price to pay. I spend that much money for apps where I have no clue if it will be worth it. Considering this app is by Marco, I would say that go ahead and buy it. It's highly unlikely that it won't work as advertised.
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- sjs382 12y agoI happily paid $2.99 for my favorite Podcast app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.snoggdoggler.android.applications.doggcatcher.v1_0&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.snoggdoggl... Edit: Missed a decimal there...
- creativityhurts 12y agoYou mean $2,99. Kinda scared me for a second there.
- cr3ative 12y agoI hope you missed a decimal place there.
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- TannerLD 12y agoYou can try them out in the effects tab for 5 minutes at a time without paying.
- ropiku 12y agoYou can test the 2 features for 5 minutes at a time in the free app.
- untog 12y agoBallsy and classy. To me it feels a little haughty. Basically, "if you think anything in this app is wrong, you are incorrect, and should go elsewhere" Don't get me wrong, it's Marco so he has earned the right to dictate how an app is. It strikes me as more funny than anything else, but I wouldn't want people to see this and think they can replicate it without having a big name to back it up.
- makmanalp 12y agoA year or so ago I would have agreed to you, but I'm on the fence now. Some criticism or requests are not necessarily wrong but take the product in a direction you don't want it to go. Keep in mind that this is not the same thing as ignoring or disdaining criticism, it's just deciding to put it to use selectively. No product can be, neither should it be, everything for everyone. Quite a few people thing google docs is fine, but some think it's lacking in features. They are both correct, in their own way. Whether you choose to cater to everyone, which is a fool's errand in my opinion, is ultimately a business decision. If you think the product as you envision it will have buyers, then why not? So the dichotomy of correct / incorrect is not as clear as you say.
- nnutter 12y agoThis is probably closer to the truth than either the "ballsy" or "manipulative" arguments. Though, I think this is overly cynical. He just doesn't think it's worth doing support. He has stated numerous times that, if he could, he would rather just refund people'e money than provide any support.
- rsynnott 12y ago> Basically, "if you think anything in this app is wrong, you are incorrect, and should go elsewhere" To be honest, that isn't a terrible approach to take with this sort of app. Sure, there'll be some problems that he'll want to fix, but it's the sort of thing where people have differing personal preferences, and you're never going to please everyone. EDIT: Also, I think I remember him talking before about how he implemented things due to user demand on Instapaper that ultimately didn't really fit, and which he regretted. Was on a podcast, unfortunately, so no link.
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- personZ 12y agoBallsy and classy. It's also perhaps a bit manipulative. I'm not in any way saying this in a critical or dismissive fashion, but rather given that many here are learning from software like this, and I do think there is a lesson to be drawn from that. Persuasion and social norms are powerful forces. Giving direct links to your competitors not only demonstrates confidence in your product (e.g. it must be better given that it confidently points you at alternatives), it can also diffuse criticism, ala "if you aren't happy, here are other options that might make you happy". Recall that reviled Comcast phone call the other day -- the agent was using a tactic as old as time which is to make the caller feel unreasonable and unfair about cancelling (e.g. "until you've given me a good reason", and then a list of why they're better). Such a competitor link list may achieve the same goal for negative reviews/sentiments. App looks great. EDIT: Pretty extraordinary how literally (and simplistically) people take the Comcast comparison. I was describing persuasive techniques (of which our society is filled), not saying that Marco is equal to Comcast. It is deeply unfortunate that this needs to be spelled out. It is also shocking how people are both going forth to fight any notion that this is anything but a purely selfless move wrought by good intentions, but because of such a selfless move wrought with good intentions isn't Marco a great guy (and so "ballsy and classy") and isn't it worthwhile to spend $4.99. I am not sure if the reality is lost, or the fan club has flocked in. /r/hailcorporate
- runjake 12y agoYou're comparing this "tactic" to that Comcast fiasco? If you listen to any of Marco's podcasts, he feels really strongly about independent developers and even his independent competitors, who he compliments often (esp. the Pocket Casts and Downcast people).
- personZ 12y agoYes, I'm comparing persuasive tactics. Is there some reason I shouldn't? The notion that anyone would read my comment and think they have to defend Marco or silence an obvious, factual comment is rather sad.
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- runjake 12y agoHis primary competitors, Downcast and Pocket Casts, cost $2.99 and $3.99 up front, respectively. Calling it a "paywall" seems disingenuous.
- Nogwater 12y agoFYI: a sawbuck is an X shaped structure used to hold wood while cutting it. It also refers to a ten dollar bill because X = 10 in Roman Numerals. This app is half that price.
- pflats 12y agoCould sworn it was a fiver because a sawhorse looks like an upside-down V. Guess I got my etymologies confused. Thanks.
- solutionyogi 12y agoI really love the no-nonsense FAQ: https://overcast.fm/skeptics_faq https://overcast.fm/skeptics_faq I wish everyone would write such clear and concise FAQ. I especially love the answer to question 'Why is the app free?' I loved the Instapaper app and will definitely buy this app. The current podcasts app on iOS platform are terrible. The only app I am able to tolerate is 'Downcast'.
- jonny_eh 12y agoI think PocketCasts is pretty awesome. So far Overcast isn't doing that much more for me than PocketCasts.
- smackfu 12y agoPocketCasts has those weird popup windows that feel very cross-platform.
- mitchty 12y agoIt also uses a lot of private apis from ios6. (I found out running the ios8 beta and looking at stack traces) So I've had to revert to Downcast. I have bought every podcast app on ios anyway to get away from the godawful native podcast app. Whats one more app amongst friends.
- smackfu 12y agoYeah, given how much time I listen to podcasts, I don't mind spending a few bucks twice a year to try new clients.
- k-mcgrady 12y ago>> It also uses a lot of private apis from ios6. (I found out running the ios8 beta and looking at stack traces) Good to know. It completely stopped launching for me on iOS 8 beta 3. Shows the default.png and the freezes and crashes after a few seconds. I'd downgraded to the Apple Podcasts app (which I hate). Tried Overcast this afternoon and I like it. The only probably for me is there is unlikely to ever be an Android app and I occasionally use an Android device so PocketCasts syncing between devices was great.
- skywhopper 12y agoBe sure to check the FAQ[1] and the Privacy Policy[2], which clearly explain the design of the app, the reason for the data that's collected as well as how the data will be used. I'll be buying the full license right away just to reward the good behavior. Thanks Marco! [1] https://overcast.fm/skeptics_faq https://overcast.fm/skeptics_faq [2] https://overcast.fm/privacy https://overcast.fm/privacy
- hodgesmr 12y agoAt first glance, it doesn't look like it currently supports video podcasts. This is a bummer. Hopefully shows up in future versions or IAP
- smackfu 12y agoI'm surprised anyone still distributes their own video podcast, rather than just putting it up in a channel on YouTube. The bandwidth bill seems like it would kill you.
- hodgesmr 12y agoSome of the videos I subscribe to are produced my large media companies (Cable News). So I could see how content ownership would be important.
- dublinben 12y agoI'm surprised any large media companies are distributing any video content for free these days. Everything seems to be locked up onto proprietary video platforms, or sold piecemeal in stores like iTunes.
- hodgesmr 12y agoMost of the major news outlet in the US (NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, FOX) offer many of their programs for free. It's nice to get morning news when I wake up or drive to/from work.
- philoushka 12y agoAgreed mostly, but then you're at YouTube's mercy. YouTube pulls TWiT videos all the time due to takedown notices over content that is played in-show as part of the discussion. i.e. let's play this new interesting advert from Company X, or a clip of last week's TV Show Y. Oops, your entire show is now gone. YouTube has been apparently awful at having humans being contactable to sort this stuff out. Guys From Queens have related the same experiences. Own your content. Yes, it's expensive, and a cost of doing business, but TWiT's got some revenue.
- w4 12y agoI've never seen the tab bar put in the navigation bar before, and I really dig it. I'm actually in the process of designing an education app that plays audio, and have been debating how to avoid a hamburger/basement menu or gestures since the main audience for the app is older, and assumably less tech savvy. Putting the tab bar on top is a clever, and in hindsight incredibly obvious, compromise, since it provides for a now playing status bar on the bottom of the screen without hiding menu options. Nice.
- k-mcgrady 12y ago>> "I've never seen the tab bar put in the navigation bar before" I don't think it's a tab bar in the navigation bar. It just seems to be four buttons on a UIToolbar equally spaced. Edit: Strange that this was down voted...care to explain why? It's almost certainly not a tab bar. A tab bar switches view controllers. The buttons on this bar present new ones modally leaving the current view controller in place.
- nicky0 12y agoMy guess: because you used "just", which has the linguistic effect of belittling this four-button-toolbar innovation. I guess you didn't mean to do that, but you did anyway. I didn't down vote you BTW.
- w4 12y agoNot my downvote, so no data on that, but I suspect someone considered the distinction pedantic. Sure, it's not technically a tab bar, but it's functionally (from a user's point of view) the same thing.
- MBCook 12y agoGlad to see this is out, it looks nice. If you look at Federico's review/interview [1] you can find clips of the voice enhancer and gap shortener, they sound quite good. I know a few people who will probably jump on this. I fight with the Podcasts app (and podcasts in iTunes) on a weekly basis. I would love to replace it with something by a developer with a good track record like Marco, but I do about 80% of my podcast listening on my Mac and I don't think the annoyance factor is high enough for me to switch to using only my iPhone yet. At the end of Federico's interview Marco says he's considering an iPad or maybe Mac app in the future, I can only hope. [1] http://www.macstories.net/reviews/overcast-review/ http://www.macstories.net/reviews/overcast-review/
- k-mcgrady 12y agoIn the FAQ it mentions a 'basic web app'. I haven't looked into it but you may be able to play on your desktop through that. https://overcast.fm/skeptics_faq https://overcast.fm/skeptics_faq
- MBCook 12y agoI saw that, but I'm not sure it will fit my needs. More than anything else, I want to be able to use the "play/pause" key on my keyboard to pause the podcast. I also really like the idea of the voice booster and I'm guessing that the web site won't get that (being 'basic' and all).
- mitchell209 12y agoDon't expect the web app to become any serious Mac app competitor anytime soon. Based on Instapaper's website, Marco dislikes working on them. It will keep basic functionality but his main focus will be on iOS for the foreseeable future.
- k-mcgrady 12y agoI was looking at his twitter earlier and he was asking about Web Audio API's so maybe he does have plans to improve it. https://twitter.com/marcoarment/status/489513461261430786 https://twitter.com/marcoarment/status/489513461261430786
- isamuel 12y agoI've been looking forward to this and was planning on a day one purchase, so I'm pleasantly surprised to learn that there's even more here than I expected. Things like Smart Speed and Voice Boost are features I haven't seen anywhere else, and if they work as advertised, are major innovations. They're also bred of listening to a lot of podcasts. Marco seems like he's scratching his own itch with these features, which is always great.
- nicky0 12y agoJust as a FYI, RSSRadio has had both silence removal and voice boosting for some time (https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/rssradio-podcast-downloader/id386600664?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/rssradio-podcast-downloader/...)
- solutionyogi 12y agoJust bought the app. Smooth. That's the only word I can use to describe the experience. Creating an account and adding my favorite podcast was accomplished in less than a minute. It is unbelievably polished for version 1. A must buy if you enjoy podcasts.
- supercoder 12y agoI wouldn't say unbelievably polished.... In my first 5 minutes of use it: - Complained no podcasts could be played. - Crashed on opening the second time. - Once I could start playing then (post crash?) complained that there was no space left on the device when there was.
- jeffcox 12y agoReally liking the smart speed and voice boost features. Feels like a huge improvement on my favorite podcast (Gear Geeks Live) which typically has audio quality issues. Don't like getting hit up for an email address right off the bat, but Marco has a pretty solid track record.
- robmcm 12y agoYes it would be nice to avoid this until you are sold. It would also be nice to have an explanation as to why it's needed (web client etc).
- slig 12y agoFrom the faq [1]: > Why an email address instead of a username? > Password resets. > I tried usernames with Instapaper at first, but people forgot their passwords and got locked out of their accounts all the time. It was by far the top support problem. Email addresses fix that. (Nothing’s stopping you from entering a fake address, but if you forget your password, I won’t be able to help.) [1]: https://overcast.fm/skeptics_faq https://overcast.fm/skeptics_faq
- mladenkovacevic 12y agoSmart Speed - here is what I thought it was, or what I wished it was: The app knows how long your commute will be and it attempts to shorten or lengthen the podcast in an unnoticeable way so that you can fit whole episode(s) into a single drive/bus ride. I have an annoying habit of sitting in my driveway waiting for a natural break in the podcast so that I can turn it off with a clear conscience.
- parm289 12y agoGreat idea. To start, why not have the app find episodes that match the user's commute time? For other episodes, an app like Overcast could first apply SmartSpeed and then speed up the entire episode (ie 1.1x) to match the commute time. I'm finding myself looking for good (financial) news podcasts that are < 20 mins per episode.
- eddyg 12y agoThe lack of streaming is a bummer. I subscribe to quite a few podcasts and pick-and-choose which episodes to listen to by streaming them on-demand instead of downloading everything.
- jonikanerva 12y ago"Streaming coming soon" https://twitter.com/OvercastFM/status/489448132556509184 https://twitter.com/OvercastFM/status/489448132556509184
- eddyg 12y agoThat's good to hear. Thanks for pointing it out. I wonder if streaming will be a "free" feature or a "premium" feature? For now, it's back to Pocket Casts.
- geuis 12y agoSome feedback. I'm a heavy Downcast user. 1) Didn't import all of my subscriptions. Specifically The Patch from Roosterteeth. Considering the opml file contains the URL, I don't see why this happened. 2) At least one or two podcasts I deleted a long time ago got imported. I haven't examined the opml file but Downcast doesn't show them anymore. So either Downcast is doing something wrong or the import is. 3) I read the Skeptics FAQ. That's really helpful. 4) Despite the FAQ I still don't see why the account is needed. I very nearly didn't create an account. If not for knowing who Marco is I never would have. I feel very strongly about this with apps. Unless there is a clear and compelling reason to need to signup for a service then I don't. The design is nice. But there's nothing compellingly different about this app compared to Downcast. It also has voice speed. It has lots of fiddly bits if you want to tinker with individual settings. Pay a couple dollars and get Downcast and you don't need an account.
- robinsta 12y agoI believe the account is so that Overcast's servers can look for new episodes and push background updates so new episodes are there when you open it.
- jonny_eh 12y agoPocketCasts has the same feature without an account. The app can auto-generate a server account using the device's uuid.
- robmcm 12y agoYou can't get a device UUID anymore I don't think. There is also a web view/player I think.
- dsuriano 12y agoThere is now `[UIDevice identifierForVendor]`. https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/uikit/reference/UIDevice_Class/Reference/UIDevice.html#//apple_ref/occ/instp/UIDevice/identifierForVendor https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/uikit/...
- brownie 12y agoAnyone know if it does episode bookmarking/favourites?
- ents 12y agoYou can recommend episodes via the share icon. Recommended podcasts from those you follow on twitter show up in the directory.
- philoushka 12y agoAlso while playing, scroll down on the podcast artwork to get the show notes. The fav star is there too.
- nicky0 12y agoNo, it doesn't seem to. EDIT: actually it does seem to have some kind of "star" feature but hitting the star asks me to sign in to Twitter.
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- ing33k 12y agoLove the Onboarding screen https://i.imgur.com/VcBZ4rD.png https://i.imgur.com/VcBZ4rD.png
- ZanderEarth32 12y agoEasily the best user on-boarding experience of any podcast app I've used. I was afraid I was going to have to manually subscribe to all my feeds again, but they were imported smoothly. Creating an account couldn't have been easier either. I also really like that there is a "Delete Account" option front and center, letting me know I won't have to jump through hoops to get rid of my account.
- voxmatt 12y agoI feel a bit bad being so superficial, as the app has real merits, but the design is really painful. The app icon is just awful and, unfortunately, it is only a hint of what's to come upon launching the app. I hope it's successful enough to allow Marco some funds to hire a designer.
- antr 12y agoI just bought the in-app upgrade. Overall I really like the app, and how easy the search for shows is. It deserves to be on my homepage and replace Swell (the current app I use). Having said that, I do wanted to make the same comment (at the expense of sounding superficial too): the icon needs a facelift, it's plain ugly, and i want to have a 'good looking' homepage.
- smackfu 12y agoHuh, I like the icon.
- nicky0 12y agoI suspect the app design is the way it is because Marco wanted it this way, and not because he lacked access to a designer
- chipotle_coyote 12y agoEach to their own, of course, but I find the design pretty good on the whole. The app icon was designed by Pacific Helm, so he did hire a designer (and a pretty well-respected one); I'm not sure what the argument against it is. (Other than the subjective one, obviously.) And most of the interior is just typography, in a style that, at least to my eye, is pretty reminiscent of the UI for The Magazine. (Surprise.) I suppose if you hate orange, you're going to find the whole thing pretty hideous. (But if you hate orange how can you bear Hacker News?)
- caiob 12y agoThe feature list make this purchase a no-brainer. Excellent App.
- arrrg 12y agoIt’s a really nice app and I bought it instantly. The App Sore’s podcasting landscape is filling out nicely, with a diverse selection of high-quality apps for many different tastes. I wish there were as good a selection of apps for many other purposes. There are Instacast, Downcast and Pocket Casts with tons of features, though all with slightly different approaches to UI and graphic design. A nice selection for anyone who wants every feature and everyone who has a very particular and personal way of listening and organising podcasts that doesn’t fit with the way simpler apps organise the podcasts. For me their design (both UI and graphic design which in many cases is just awful) is a bit too noisy and loud and while they do have customisability the developers don’t seem to have put as much effort into making the experience map well to typical listening scenarios right out of the box, making you do all the work. For me personally they are a bit to complex and confusing, but for people who need the features they are great. On the other end of the scale is Castro with its simplicity (and excellent graphic design) that makes it very streamlined to use – if your approach to listening to podcasts fits with what they designers had in mind. For me it just fits perfectly. (I really need nothing besides a list of podcasts and a list of unplayed episodes. That’s perfect for me.) Plus, background downloads work very well, even if they do consume a bit more battery. I can understand going with a server component, but it wouldn’t have been an absolute necessity. Overcast fits somewhere between the Instacast-Castro complexity spectrum (with some cool extra features no one else has), filling that gap. Sadly, Marco Arment doesn’t have the graphic design prowess of the people who made Castro, and since my demands are very simple I will stick with Castro for the time being. But I’m always up to switching it up and I can imagine it being a great app for many people. (Those boxes I put those apps into aren’t hermetically sealed. In some respects Overcast actually is simpler than Castro in very thoughtful way, for example. But in general those categories work well for me.)
- nicky0 12y agoI can see why some people would say Castro's design is better, but to me Castro is "over-designed". The visual slickness gets in the way of actually using it. I'd say Overcast is actually better designed, because it is more usable.
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- pinder 12y agoBeing able to import from the ios Podcasts app would be useful. Who knows the RSS urls for podcasts any more?
- rglover 12y agoAwesome that there's a category called "Turns Out" in the Add Podcast list.
- frou_dh 12y agoMade me laugh. IIRC that's Merlin Mann's characterisation of material based on surprising factoids and "everything you think you know about x is wrong" type stuff. BTW you should all strongly consider listening to the Roderick on the Line podcast. The latest episode is a good one.
- mentos 12y agoI clicked the page, scrolled up and down, did not see visually what this was and left.
- tizzdogg 12y agoA powerful yet simple iPhone podcast player?
- goeric 12y agoI really like this. Can you please add the ability to stream a podcast (play while downloading). That would sell me on this completely.
- pfranz 12y agohttps://twitter.com/OvercastFM/status/489448132556509184 https://twitter.com/OvercastFM/status/489448132556509184 - Streaming coming soon
- mitchty 12y agoNormalization! FINALLY The amount of times I have to touch volume buttons on non normalized podcasts is nuts. As long as this works decently or close to downcast in overall use I'll throw the $5 at this easy.
- autodidakto 12y agoHmm. Normalization means you don't have the change the volume between podcasts, but better than that would be dynamic range compression. A podcast with both loud music/effects/screaming and quiet/normal dialogue would be "evened out". You wouldn't have to adjust volume even within a podcast. I don't know of any audio player (desktop or mobile) that has this feature. It would be perfect for podcasts/audiobooks.
- mitchty 12y agoI'm just more happy that the quiet people and loud mean I don't need to have my ears blown out as much.
- rimantas 12y ago"About" screen is a very nice touch. I don't think I saw another up doing it this way.
- autodidakto 12y agoManaging your podcasts can be a complicated thing. Shows and episodes can exist in different states and use cases. Do I listen to every episode of this show? Most episodes? Just dip in and out every once in a while? How can a UI accommodate this? Do I download? Stream? Per episode? Per show? Sometimes one, sometimes the other? What about tools to manage my download queue? Maybe I have lots of bandwidth at the office, but I have 1mpbs at home. I've yet use a podcast app (I think I've used them all) that has a playlist setting to exclude certain shows. I've been unable to to create a playlist that has the "All Shows" feed from popular networks, doesn't make other playlists (based on episode state) unmaintainable. Settings at the global level. Settings at the playlist level. Settings at the show level. Settings at the current playing episode level... Downcast, with it's Windows-like feature set and UI, has given me the most power. I have complaints with it (Bloated UI; I want PocketCasts's playback speed slider and "skip first X seconds" feature), but every other app seems to go in the "less is more... until it's not enough and I go back to downcast" direction. Overcast has some smart features. (What about an "alert me of any appearance of my favorite guest, whatever the show" feature)? I hope it convinces people that there is still room to grow.
- berberich 12y agoI've also found that Downcast has given me the most control over my podcasts. One thing I haven't found yet, though, is a client that offers a playlist or podcast level setting where I can say I want to download the oldest unplaced episode for a show. iTunes has such a sync setting for TV shows, for example, and it would be very handy for podcasts where I'm working my way through an archive. There is probably a limited audience for such a feature, however, so I'll probably have to keep waiting.
- pbreit 12y agoWhy doesn't everything just stream as with music and video? I hate the "subscribe" concept. I just want to browse around an listen stuff here and ther. Maybe bookmark some favorites.
- ig0r 12y agoAgree with your comments on Downcast except its Mac version. It's somethings that is unusable for me - high CPU usage, sync problems (iOS version has them too), app freezing, etc. Hope Overcast will make other clients better. I'm going to migrate to Overcast for the time being.
- incision 12y agoLooks great. I've actually been looking forward to this after hearing about it on ATP for months now. I was wondering what could be done to differentiate and I'm pleasantly surprised - smart speed and voice boost are killer features if they work as described. Perhaps in a few years there will be an Android port I can buy and use to listen to Marco talk about how no one buys Android apps.
- supercoder 12y agoI can't believe it lacks streaming support. The download model is far outdated.
- skrause 12y agoWhy? My client automatically downloads all new podcasts when I'm at home using WiFi. Later I walk or drive through areas where the cell phone reception is not really reliable, steaming podcasts would stop all time. The download model is still the best by far.
- eberfreitas 12y agoMaybe a little off-topic but which podcasts do you guys listen to? Any good tips on entrepreneurship / hacking podcasts?