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"ß" on the German keyboard is on the right to the "0" key and doesn't need any modifier.

tokenizerrr 12y ago
And on qwerty US-International which is used throughout most countries that don't want to use their own specialized keyboards it's alt+s.
- ygra 12y ago
  AltGr+S (or Ctrl+Alt+S).
- amatera 12y ago
  Then the Duden[0] gives the following rule: "Fehlt das ß auf der Tastatur eines Computers oder einer Schreibmaschine, schreibt man dafür ss." Translation: "If the ß is missing on a computer keyboard or typewriter, you have to write 'ss' instead". [0] http://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/rechtschreibregeln/doppel-s-und-scharfes-s http://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/rechtschreibregeln/doppel-s...
  - egeozcan 12y ago
    But it's not missing. This is like saying capital s is missing because you have to press shift+s.
    - amatera 12y ago
      Hehe true. I guess they mean "if the (standalone) key is missing".
      - jkrems 12y ago
        I'm pretty sure they refer to the inability to type ß. Which is a real concern for type writers, less so for most keyboards. I'm writing this using an American keyboard and I don't see why I shouldn't use "ß" just because it's a different key(-combination). I also wouldn't start writing "spaet" just because "ä" takes a bit more work (Alt+U, A).
  - kyleblarson 12y ago
    The Duden abides. (sorry!)
nawitus 12y ago
I thought ß was being phased out. In fact, I heard that like 10 years ago at school during a German class.
- mnkypete 12y ago
  That would've been too easy - instead it's now used in fewer places, but with new rules ;) When it's long-pronounced, ß is still used, like in Fuß or Stoß. In words like Fluss it's replaced with ss.
- hamvocke 12y ago
  Not entirely. The spelling reform (about 10 years ago) somewhat reduced the use of ß but you still use it frequently after a diphthong (as in "Straße" [street]).
  - morsch 12y ago
    That's just a long vowel, not a diphthong (literally "two sounds"; incidentally, "sounds" has a diphthong in it).
    - pjmlp 12y ago
      I started living in Germany right after it was adopted, and still cannot get the long vs short vowel history for ß. They just sound the same to my hears, so I got around it by memorizing the respective use cases.
      - ygra 12y ago
        I tend to still write in the old spelling (I didn't have to take exams in the reformed spelling yet so I never bothered to memorise all the braindeadness) and rely on Word/Outlook to correct me where necessary. That works quite well so far.
- davidp 12y ago
  It might depend on where you live. I took a recent trip through Germany, Austria, and Switzerland and I noticed that Austrian street signs tended to use "Straße" while German and Swiss tended to use "Strasse". OTOH it could also be just spending priorities of updating street signs vs. other things. I knew nothing about the phasing-out of ß until reading the comments on this article.

And on qwerty US-International which is used throughout most countries that don't want to use their own specialized keyboards it's alt+s.

ygra 12y ago
AltGr+S (or Ctrl+Alt+S).
amatera 12y ago
Then the Duden[0] gives the following rule: "Fehlt das ß auf der Tastatur eines Computers oder einer Schreibmaschine, schreibt man dafür ss." Translation: "If the ß is missing on a computer keyboard or typewriter, you have to write 'ss' instead". [0] http://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/rechtschreibregeln/doppel-s-und-scharfes-s http://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/rechtschreibregeln/doppel-s...
- egeozcan 12y ago
  But it's not missing. This is like saying capital s is missing because you have to press shift+s.
  - amatera 12y ago
    Hehe true. I guess they mean "if the (standalone) key is missing".
    - jkrems 12y ago
      I'm pretty sure they refer to the inability to type ß. Which is a real concern for type writers, less so for most keyboards. I'm writing this using an American keyboard and I don't see why I shouldn't use "ß" just because it's a different key(-combination). I also wouldn't start writing "spaet" just because "ä" takes a bit more work (Alt+U, A).
- kyleblarson 12y ago
  The Duden abides. (sorry!)

nawitus 12y ago

I thought ß was being phased out. In fact, I heard that like 10 years ago at school during a German class.

mnkypete 12y ago
That would've been too easy - instead it's now used in fewer places, but with new rules ;) When it's long-pronounced, ß is still used, like in Fuß or Stoß. In words like Fluss it's replaced with ss.
hamvocke 12y ago
Not entirely. The spelling reform (about 10 years ago) somewhat reduced the use of ß but you still use it frequently after a diphthong (as in "Straße" [street]).
- morsch 12y ago
  That's just a long vowel, not a diphthong (literally "two sounds"; incidentally, "sounds" has a diphthong in it).
  - pjmlp 12y ago
    I started living in Germany right after it was adopted, and still cannot get the long vs short vowel history for ß. They just sound the same to my hears, so I got around it by memorizing the respective use cases.
    - ygra 12y ago
      I tend to still write in the old spelling (I didn't have to take exams in the reformed spelling yet so I never bothered to memorise all the braindeadness) and rely on Word/Outlook to correct me where necessary. That works quite well so far.
davidp 12y ago
It might depend on where you live. I took a recent trip through Germany, Austria, and Switzerland and I noticed that Austrian street signs tended to use "Straße" while German and Swiss tended to use "Strasse". OTOH it could also be just spending priorities of updating street signs vs. other things. I knew nothing about the phasing-out of ß until reading the comments on this article.