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Kallithea: A free code hosting solution for Git and Mercurial

85 points by ngoldbaum 12y ago

michaelmior 12y ago
For a couple alternatives, check out GitLab[0] and GitBucket[1]. [0] http://gitlab.com/ http://gitlab.com/ [1] https://github.com/takezoe/gitbucket https://github.com/takezoe/gitbucket
- adrusi 12y ago
  I don't know anything about gitbucket, but gitlab is very well designed, and also has a public hosted instance at gitlab.com That said, setting up your own instance is much more complicated than it should be. Taking a peek at the docs, Kallithea seems to be just `pip install kallithea` and then a couple of configuration files. Gitlab's installation process is much more involved, and it's really only appropriate for larger installations. Kallithea might be just as appropriate for small projects with 5 members hosting a repo on one of their home servers or VPSs.
  - veeti 12y ago
    I haven't tried them yet, but GitLab now has official deb and rpm packages.
  - swsieber 12y ago
    As luck would have it someone made a dockerized version (sameersbn on github) of it. We've been using it at work for the past couple months without any hiccups. It took a bit in the beginning because of a bug in one of the docker backends that was on by default, but following the guide he provided was simple. We opted to use the built-in redis and sql servers. Link: https://github.com/sameersbn/docker-gitlab https://github.com/sameersbn/docker-gitlab
  - notduncansmith 12y ago
    Digital Ocean has a preconfigured GitLab droplet available. Costs $5/mo, I've been using it for over a month now and have had 0 problems. Setup was a breeze and I haven't had to do any complex maintenance tasks (aside from setting up a user for myself on the box, but I'd hardly call that complex).
  - vader1 12y ago
    I don't know how it was in the past, but installing Gitlab 7 on debian/ubuntu is a breeze: download a .deb and install it, install postfix, optionally tweak the configuration files, and run 'gitlab-ctl reconfigure'. Takes me less than 5 minutes. :) https://about.gitlab.com/downloads/ https://about.gitlab.com/downloads/
- smoyer 12y ago
  I'm using GitBucket and couldn't be happier ... We've got a GitLab installation at work, but for my personal projects I didn't want a front-end that relied on RoR (since I'm not proficient). GitBucket was reskinned with the modern GitHub look for version 2.0 and is written in Scala and run on a JVM (both of which I'm fluent in). I should also note that I was a happy Gitolite user until it was obvious that having a web UI would speed adoption ... both GitLab and GitBucket provide the user and group mechanisms you expect.
- twic 12y ago
  Neither of which support Mercurial, which means they are not full alternatives to Kallithea, which does.
  - michaelmior 12y ago
    They do however have many features which Kallithea doesn't have, so Kallithea is not a full alternative to those either. Depends on your needs. However, you could just use hg-git[0] if you need Mercurial support. I haven't used Mercurial in some time now though, and I haven't used hg-git extensively, so I'm not sure how great the interoperability is. [0] https://hg-git.github.io/ https://hg-git.github.io/
    - twic 12y ago
      You're right, if someone suggested Kallithea as an alternative to either of those, that would be a correct objection. I have used hg-git quite a bit. The interoperability is pretty much flawless. There have been occasional hiccups when i updated a version of one component (hg, hg-git, git, dulwich) but not others, and everything broke, but it was usually quick to fix. The biggest problem was performance - for some reason, on large repositories, a push which would have taken a fraction of a second with git took tens of seconds with hg-git. And of course, you can't take advantage of all the powerful new features like changeset evolution.
      - michaelmior 12y ago
        It wasn't an objection. I was just pointing this out for people not familiar with the other tools I mentioned.
      - reinhardt 12y ago
        Regarding the hg-git performance issues, I've been having them for a long time until I discovered somewhere a tip: every now and then run "git repack -a -d" on the git repo created by hg-git. It doesn't make it as fast as raw git but it makes a noticeable difference, from more than a minute to pull/push down to few seconds (that's with large repos with tens of thousands of commits). Another issue I had been bitten by hg-git in the past is overwriting other people's commits when I push, as if it was running --force. Maybe that was a bug that had been fixed since but to be on the safe side I've been using an ugly workaround: have an intermediate local bare git repo where I pull from/push to and have it talk to the upstream git repo.
- codexon 12y ago
  And Gogs https://github.com/gogits/gogs https://github.com/gogits/gogs
- wilsonfiifi 12y ago
  There's also RhodeCode: https://rhodecode.com/ https://rhodecode.com/
  - michaelmior 12y ago
    Looks cool, although not totally free.
    - jordigh 12y ago
      Not free at all, that's the reason for the Kallithea fork. When someone attempted to use Rhodecode apparently under the free promises, they got lawsuit threats: https://github.com/moparisthebest/unlimit-code/blob/master/readme.md https://github.com/moparisthebest/unlimit-code/blob/master/r...
  - davewongillies 12y ago
    This is actually a fork of Rhodecode. This[0] changeset has most of the changes from Rhodecode to Kallithea. The repo contains the full commit his to Marcin Kuzminski's first commit of RhodeCode[1]. Also the name relates to RhodeCode: Kallithea, or Καλλιθέα, is the name of a locality on the island of Rhodes [0] https://kallithea-scm.org/repos/kallithea/changeset/24c0d584ba86678ae013cd564f3fee8e39e1664d https://kallithea-scm.org/repos/kallithea/changeset/24c0d584... [1] https://kallithea-scm.org/repos/kallithea/changeset/564e40829f80d5d7eba572478b533daf4cffb8a8 https://kallithea-scm.org/repos/kallithea/changeset/564e4082...
    - robert_nsu 12y ago
      I've been using Rhodecode for a while now and it's solid for the most part. There are a few features that I wish they would implement soon.
- kbar13 12y ago
  http://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/ http://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/ is awesome, and kernel.org also uses it.
  - michaelmior 12y ago
    cgit doesn't offer any features beyond viewing repository contents though correct? It certainly does a nice job at that though and is perhaps all some are looking for :)
- yawaramin 12y ago
  Is anybody here using Phabricator? I believe Phabricator should have equivalent features for repo hosting, etc.?
  - carterschonwald 12y ago
    i've been using Phabricator as part of contributing to GHC this past month, and the tooling is REALLY nice (haven't used the repo bits, but i expect its pretty nice too)
  - tachion 12y ago
    The FreeBSD[1] project is using Phabricator currently[2], at least for the Ports tree code reviews, but it doesnt seem to be used as repository host (it sits on top of their SVN repo) but for the diff views, discussions, approval process and so on. [1] https://www.FreeBSD.org/ https://www.FreeBSD.org/ [2] https://phabric.FreeBSD.org/ https://phabric.FreeBSD.org/
  - yonasb 12y ago
    Facebook, Asana, Path and handful of other companies use Phabricator, primarily for code review: http://leanstack.io/phabricator http://leanstack.io/phabricator. Also, Gitorious and Beanstalk are a couple of other options for code hosting (http://leanstack.io/code-collaboration-version-control http://leanstack.io/code-collaboration-version-control).
tokenizerrr 12y ago
How does this compare in memory usage to gitlab?
autodidakto 12y ago
Does nobody love darcs?! crickets
- pointfree 12y ago
  darcs has been improving at a good rate and http://hub.darcs.net/ http://hub.darcs.net/ is good enough for me to use for my projects. I use darcs because we would all enjoy more innovation if were to resist the inertia of the status quo and work on improving the tools we like. Unfortunately git's slipshod user interface design can't be easily fixed through incremental development and the underlying model won't be changed.
saboot 12y ago
Looks pretty similar to RhodeCode, but without the $50/month price for >20 users. Ill definitely check this out
- veeti 12y ago
  Looks like a fork.
  - davewongillies 12y ago
    Its definitely a fork: https://kallithea-scm.org/repos/kallithea/changeset/24c0d584ba86678ae013cd564f3fee8e39e1664d https://kallithea-scm.org/repos/kallithea/changeset/24c0d584...
    - durin42 12y ago
      Yes, when RhodeCode went proprietary some folks wanted it to stay open - the result is Kallithea.
- zo1 12y ago
  Also includes support to run both: Interoperability with RhodeCode 2.2.5 installations is provided so you don't have to immediately commit to switching to Kallithea. This option will most likely go away once the two projects have diverged significantly.
maerF0x0 12y ago
bitbucket is also free for small teams (up to 5 users). [0]: https://bitbucket.org/ https://bitbucket.org/
- scott_karana 12y ago
  It's also not self-hosted.
  - maerF0x0 12y ago
    I guess the line "Kallithea hosts your code" threw me off. Yes, I now see that Kallithea will be something you download and install on your own X .
anton_gogolev 12y ago
HgLab[0] is Mercurial server for Windows [0]: http://hglabhq.com/ http://hglabhq.com/
plicense 12y ago
The question "Why Kallithea" really should be why "Why Kallithea over Github, Gitlab?"
- jordigh 12y ago
  Because it does hg. It's a free fork of Rhodecode, which has freedom issues: https://github.com/moparisthebest/unlimit-code/blob/master/readme.md https://github.com/moparisthebest/unlimit-code/blob/master/r... Rhodecode started as hg-only and then added git when it seemed inevitable, but for those of us who still prefer hg, Rhodecode was the only thing we could use until the devs went crazy.
  - andrewflnr 12y ago
    On wow. It's like something out of a dystopian comedy.
felixrabe 12y ago
Too bad I can't just star this on GitHub.

85 points by ngoldbaum 12y ago

For a couple alternatives, check out GitLab[0] and GitBucket[1]. [0] http://gitlab.com/ http://gitlab.com/ [1] https://github.com/takezoe/gitbucket https://github.com/takezoe/gitbucket

adrusi 12y ago
I don't know anything about gitbucket, but gitlab is very well designed, and also has a public hosted instance at gitlab.com That said, setting up your own instance is much more complicated than it should be. Taking a peek at the docs, Kallithea seems to be just `pip install kallithea` and then a couple of configuration files. Gitlab's installation process is much more involved, and it's really only appropriate for larger installations. Kallithea might be just as appropriate for small projects with 5 members hosting a repo on one of their home servers or VPSs.
- veeti 12y ago
  I haven't tried them yet, but GitLab now has official deb and rpm packages.
- swsieber 12y ago
  As luck would have it someone made a dockerized version (sameersbn on github) of it. We've been using it at work for the past couple months without any hiccups. It took a bit in the beginning because of a bug in one of the docker backends that was on by default, but following the guide he provided was simple. We opted to use the built-in redis and sql servers. Link: https://github.com/sameersbn/docker-gitlab https://github.com/sameersbn/docker-gitlab
- notduncansmith 12y ago
  Digital Ocean has a preconfigured GitLab droplet available. Costs $5/mo, I've been using it for over a month now and have had 0 problems. Setup was a breeze and I haven't had to do any complex maintenance tasks (aside from setting up a user for myself on the box, but I'd hardly call that complex).
- vader1 12y ago
  I don't know how it was in the past, but installing Gitlab 7 on debian/ubuntu is a breeze: download a .deb and install it, install postfix, optionally tweak the configuration files, and run 'gitlab-ctl reconfigure'. Takes me less than 5 minutes. :) https://about.gitlab.com/downloads/ https://about.gitlab.com/downloads/
smoyer 12y ago
I'm using GitBucket and couldn't be happier ... We've got a GitLab installation at work, but for my personal projects I didn't want a front-end that relied on RoR (since I'm not proficient). GitBucket was reskinned with the modern GitHub look for version 2.0 and is written in Scala and run on a JVM (both of which I'm fluent in). I should also note that I was a happy Gitolite user until it was obvious that having a web UI would speed adoption ... both GitLab and GitBucket provide the user and group mechanisms you expect.
twic 12y ago
Neither of which support Mercurial, which means they are not full alternatives to Kallithea, which does.
- michaelmior 12y ago
  They do however have many features which Kallithea doesn't have, so Kallithea is not a full alternative to those either. Depends on your needs. However, you could just use hg-git[0] if you need Mercurial support. I haven't used Mercurial in some time now though, and I haven't used hg-git extensively, so I'm not sure how great the interoperability is. [0] https://hg-git.github.io/ https://hg-git.github.io/
  - twic 12y ago
    You're right, if someone suggested Kallithea as an alternative to either of those, that would be a correct objection. I have used hg-git quite a bit. The interoperability is pretty much flawless. There have been occasional hiccups when i updated a version of one component (hg, hg-git, git, dulwich) but not others, and everything broke, but it was usually quick to fix. The biggest problem was performance - for some reason, on large repositories, a push which would have taken a fraction of a second with git took tens of seconds with hg-git. And of course, you can't take advantage of all the powerful new features like changeset evolution.
    - michaelmior 12y ago
      It wasn't an objection. I was just pointing this out for people not familiar with the other tools I mentioned.
    - reinhardt 12y ago
      Regarding the hg-git performance issues, I've been having them for a long time until I discovered somewhere a tip: every now and then run "git repack -a -d" on the git repo created by hg-git. It doesn't make it as fast as raw git but it makes a noticeable difference, from more than a minute to pull/push down to few seconds (that's with large repos with tens of thousands of commits). Another issue I had been bitten by hg-git in the past is overwriting other people's commits when I push, as if it was running --force. Maybe that was a bug that had been fixed since but to be on the safe side I've been using an ugly workaround: have an intermediate local bare git repo where I pull from/push to and have it talk to the upstream git repo.
codexon 12y ago
And Gogs https://github.com/gogits/gogs https://github.com/gogits/gogs
wilsonfiifi 12y ago
There's also RhodeCode: https://rhodecode.com/ https://rhodecode.com/
- michaelmior 12y ago
  Looks cool, although not totally free.
  - jordigh 12y ago
    Not free at all, that's the reason for the Kallithea fork. When someone attempted to use Rhodecode apparently under the free promises, they got lawsuit threats: https://github.com/moparisthebest/unlimit-code/blob/master/readme.md https://github.com/moparisthebest/unlimit-code/blob/master/r...
- davewongillies 12y ago
  This is actually a fork of Rhodecode. This[0] changeset has most of the changes from Rhodecode to Kallithea. The repo contains the full commit his to Marcin Kuzminski's first commit of RhodeCode[1]. Also the name relates to RhodeCode: Kallithea, or Καλλιθέα, is the name of a locality on the island of Rhodes [0] https://kallithea-scm.org/repos/kallithea/changeset/24c0d584ba86678ae013cd564f3fee8e39e1664d https://kallithea-scm.org/repos/kallithea/changeset/24c0d584... [1] https://kallithea-scm.org/repos/kallithea/changeset/564e40829f80d5d7eba572478b533daf4cffb8a8 https://kallithea-scm.org/repos/kallithea/changeset/564e4082...
  - robert_nsu 12y ago
    I've been using Rhodecode for a while now and it's solid for the most part. There are a few features that I wish they would implement soon.
kbar13 12y ago
http://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/ http://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/ is awesome, and kernel.org also uses it.
- michaelmior 12y ago
  cgit doesn't offer any features beyond viewing repository contents though correct? It certainly does a nice job at that though and is perhaps all some are looking for :)
yawaramin 12y ago
Is anybody here using Phabricator? I believe Phabricator should have equivalent features for repo hosting, etc.?
- carterschonwald 12y ago
  i've been using Phabricator as part of contributing to GHC this past month, and the tooling is REALLY nice (haven't used the repo bits, but i expect its pretty nice too)
- tachion 12y ago
  The FreeBSD[1] project is using Phabricator currently[2], at least for the Ports tree code reviews, but it doesnt seem to be used as repository host (it sits on top of their SVN repo) but for the diff views, discussions, approval process and so on. [1] https://www.FreeBSD.org/ https://www.FreeBSD.org/ [2] https://phabric.FreeBSD.org/ https://phabric.FreeBSD.org/
- yonasb 12y ago
  Facebook, Asana, Path and handful of other companies use Phabricator, primarily for code review: http://leanstack.io/phabricator http://leanstack.io/phabricator. Also, Gitorious and Beanstalk are a couple of other options for code hosting (http://leanstack.io/code-collaboration-version-control http://leanstack.io/code-collaboration-version-control).

tokenizerrr 12y ago

How does this compare in memory usage to gitlab?

autodidakto 12y ago

Does nobody love darcs?! crickets

pointfree 12y ago
darcs has been improving at a good rate and http://hub.darcs.net/ http://hub.darcs.net/ is good enough for me to use for my projects. I use darcs because we would all enjoy more innovation if were to resist the inertia of the status quo and work on improving the tools we like. Unfortunately git's slipshod user interface design can't be easily fixed through incremental development and the underlying model won't be changed.

saboot 12y ago

Looks pretty similar to RhodeCode, but without the $50/month price for >20 users. Ill definitely check this out

veeti 12y ago
Looks like a fork.
- davewongillies 12y ago
  Its definitely a fork: https://kallithea-scm.org/repos/kallithea/changeset/24c0d584ba86678ae013cd564f3fee8e39e1664d https://kallithea-scm.org/repos/kallithea/changeset/24c0d584...
  - durin42 12y ago
    Yes, when RhodeCode went proprietary some folks wanted it to stay open - the result is Kallithea.
zo1 12y ago
Also includes support to run both: Interoperability with RhodeCode 2.2.5 installations is provided so you don't have to immediately commit to switching to Kallithea. This option will most likely go away once the two projects have diverged significantly.

maerF0x0 12y ago

bitbucket is also free for small teams (up to 5 users). [0]: https://bitbucket.org/ https://bitbucket.org/

scott_karana 12y ago
It's also not self-hosted.
- maerF0x0 12y ago
  I guess the line "Kallithea hosts your code" threw me off. Yes, I now see that Kallithea will be something you download and install on your own X .

anton_gogolev 12y ago

HgLab[0] is Mercurial server for Windows [0]: http://hglabhq.com/ http://hglabhq.com/

plicense 12y ago

The question "Why Kallithea" really should be why "Why Kallithea over Github, Gitlab?"

jordigh 12y ago
Because it does hg. It's a free fork of Rhodecode, which has freedom issues: https://github.com/moparisthebest/unlimit-code/blob/master/readme.md https://github.com/moparisthebest/unlimit-code/blob/master/r... Rhodecode started as hg-only and then added git when it seemed inevitable, but for those of us who still prefer hg, Rhodecode was the only thing we could use until the devs went crazy.
- andrewflnr 12y ago
  On wow. It's like something out of a dystopian comedy.

felixrabe 12y ago

Too bad I can't just star this on GitHub.