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"includes 61 million lines of code" sounds scary, even if it's much more than an IDE these days.

benjaminpv 12y ago
I've spent a lot of time excising built-in, uninstallable plugins from Kepler so I definitely find myself agreeing with this. I won't bemoan free software and when Eclipse works it's great but boy howdy could it do with a Mozilla->Phoenix/Firefox style split where a lot of the things that are integrated into the base install (are there really people using things like Mylyn?) are removed, leaving just the bare IDE.
- lmm 12y ago
  They've done a lot of this with their "packages"; if you download e.g. "Eclipse IDE for Java Developers" then it includes a lot less than the "default" version (though admittedly Mylyn is still included).
- flaie 12y ago
  I use Mylyn at work to link Eclipse with JIRA using the Atlassian connector. I can interact with JIRA without leaving Eclipse if I want.
- lomnakkus 12y ago
  The really obnoxious thing about the plugins is that they are (as you mentioned) friggin' uninstallable and cannot even be disabled (aka prevented from loading). Why? Who thought that was a good idea? This was a big regression for me when the super-annoying Git plugin was bundled with Eclipse -- having to manually remove bundles from the installation directory is not a lot of fun nor a very robust method of plugin uninstallation. :( EDIT: I will of course try this release, but I predict that I'll be sticking with IDEA.
- virtualwhys 12y ago
  Why not go with a minimal install? Eclipse Platform and JDT runtime binaries do the trick here. Add-on must-have plugins as needed. Eclipse Standard has a whole bunch o' kitchen sink...
  - lomnakkus 12y ago
    Where would one download those?
    - virtualwhys 12y ago
      from the drops[1] [1] http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/R-4.4-201406061215/ http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/R-4.4-2...
      - lomnakkus 12y ago
        OK, thanks. Will give those a try later on!
      - lazzlazzlazz 12y ago
        It's not even obvious from this page that this download is a "minimal" install.
fithisux 12y ago
That is why we have clojure or scala for. Semantic invariant code compression.
- thomas11 12y ago
  Sounds interesting, could you elaborate?
  - thescrewdriver 12y ago
    I think he means that Clojure and Scala require less code to get the same thing done since Java is very boilerplate heavy and verbose.

I've spent a lot of time excising built-in, uninstallable plugins from Kepler so I definitely find myself agreeing with this. I won't bemoan free software and when Eclipse works it's great but boy howdy could it do with a Mozilla->Phoenix/Firefox style split where a lot of the things that are integrated into the base install (are there really people using things like Mylyn?) are removed, leaving just the bare IDE.

lmm 12y ago
They've done a lot of this with their "packages"; if you download e.g. "Eclipse IDE for Java Developers" then it includes a lot less than the "default" version (though admittedly Mylyn is still included).
flaie 12y ago
I use Mylyn at work to link Eclipse with JIRA using the Atlassian connector. I can interact with JIRA without leaving Eclipse if I want.
lomnakkus 12y ago
The really obnoxious thing about the plugins is that they are (as you mentioned) friggin' uninstallable and cannot even be disabled (aka prevented from loading). Why? Who thought that was a good idea? This was a big regression for me when the super-annoying Git plugin was bundled with Eclipse -- having to manually remove bundles from the installation directory is not a lot of fun nor a very robust method of plugin uninstallation. :( EDIT: I will of course try this release, but I predict that I'll be sticking with IDEA.
virtualwhys 12y ago
Why not go with a minimal install? Eclipse Platform and JDT runtime binaries do the trick here. Add-on must-have plugins as needed. Eclipse Standard has a whole bunch o' kitchen sink...
- lomnakkus 12y ago
  Where would one download those?
  - virtualwhys 12y ago
    from the drops[1] [1] http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/R-4.4-201406061215/ http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/R-4.4-2...
    - lomnakkus 12y ago
      OK, thanks. Will give those a try later on!
    - lazzlazzlazz 12y ago
      It's not even obvious from this page that this download is a "minimal" install.

fithisux 12y ago

That is why we have clojure or scala for. Semantic invariant code compression.

thomas11 12y ago
Sounds interesting, could you elaborate?
- thescrewdriver 12y ago
  I think he means that Clojure and Scala require less code to get the same thing done since Java is very boilerplate heavy and verbose.