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Exactly. Police believe themselves to be at war. Not with one-off groups of armed bank robbers, per se, but with heavily militarized cartels and street gangs l
by jonnathanson 12y ago
Exactly.
Police believe themselves to be at war. Not with one-off groups of armed bank robbers, per se, but with heavily militarized cartels and street gangs like MS-13. If an ordinary police unit knocked on the door of an MS-13 safe house, they'd probably be met with heavily armed resistance.
The problems here are numerous. First, because this was not a cartel safe house, and any degree of diligence sufficient to obtain a no-knock warrant should have made that clear -- which means that either the diligence process is broken, or it was subverted. Second, because very few houses in residential neighborhoods are gang hideouts, and the police are using the theoretical presence of armed gangs as broad, categorical pretext to militarize all of their SOPs, regardless of context, circumstance, degree of escalation, or suspicion of crime. Third, because the level of police militarization in general is growing alarmingly. You'd be hard-pressed to draw a clear distinction, either in armaments or in operational charter, between some of the most heavily armed SWAT teams in this country and small military units.
Stories like this one are not only outrageous; they are horrifying. I don't want to subject myself to recency or memorability bias. But I'd be very curious to see the stats on how many of these incidents are occurring for every SWAT operation that, say, takes down a real bad guy. I'm not in favor of banning SWAT operations altogether, so much as I'm of the strong belief that the "S" in SWAT should always stand for "Special." As in, we've been building a legitimate case for months on this location, and we have extraordinary reason to believe that extraordinary measures are called for.
- squozzer 12y agoThe police believe themselves to be at war with everyone. They'd kill anyone they pleased if they could get away with it.
- angersock 12y agoI don't think that that's quite a reasonable take on things either--I do not believe that officers wake up every day going "Man, I hope I get to shoot some kids today". Such hyperbole makes it harder to understand their position and hence to effect useful change.
- Glyptodon 12y agoNo, but some police do seem to have a mentality where they think they need to be a substitute jury or provide some of the corporal punishment the legal system omits.
- sitkack 12y agoVery few police ever fire their gun during their career. But an officer who killed a man by my work 2000, that was his third fatality. All same MO, mentally ill guy with a knife, close the distance under 21 feet and shoot.
- jqm 12y agoMaybe they violently raid the easy targets whilst ignoring the more dangerous ones. That's my suspicion.
- JPKab 12y agoSometimes "no-knock" warrants can cause the deaths of police officers when they otherwise wouldn't have. Check out this case, which happened in my buddy's neighborhood: http://hamptonroads.com/2010/01/ryan-frederick-loses-appeal-copshooting-verdict http://hamptonroads.com/2010/01/ryan-frederick-loses-appeal-... TLDR: No knock raid with officer trying to batter down door, guy inside with small amount of weed who had previously been robbed by armed intruders fires through the door and kills officer.