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> meaning that level of support for the platform's native GUI with that performance and elegance. Seems like that criteria would bias the choice of most innova

by Dewie 12y ago

> meaning that level of support for the platform's native GUI with that performance and elegance. Seems like that criteria would bias the choice of most innovative language quite heavily towards languages developed for/by Apple, no?

acqq 12y ago
It's the most innovative performant language for any GUI. There are maybe more innovative but less usable languages. If there isn't any better existing for any other platform, it's certainly not Apple's fault.
Dewie 12y ago
Wow, when I went to bed this comment was at 2 karma. Now it is at a negative (-3) and so are all the comments in this chain of replies that was critical of Apple's product, when before they were not greyed out. Fancy that. :)
- acqq 12y ago
  What if it's because the claims in the mentioned comments were actually unsubstantiated? Read the article linked by aidanhs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7898305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7898305 From the article: "no, your experience with server-side programming does not adequately prepare you to “think small” and correctly reason about mobile performance."
  - Dewie 12y ago
    > What if it's because the claims in the mentioned comments were actually unsubstantiated? Read the article linked by aidanhs: > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7898305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7898305 Red herring. aidanhs' reply was to someone who genuinely asked why garbage collection is problematic. The comments I'm talking about have not mentioned garbage collection, just questioning what innovative really is. I guess you then tried to infer that they thought that garbage collection vs. reference counting doesn't matter, i.e. isn't innovative? I find that to be an unfair inference. They might as well think that something like that has already been done/is being done, i.e. with Rust and how it relegates any automatic memory management to opt-in libraries. So it seems to be a disagreement about what is really worthy of being called innovative, not any technical merit, as the comments that I'm talking about has not questioned that. > From the article: > "no, your experience with server-side programming does not adequately prepare you to “think small” and correctly reason about mobile performance." Straw man, unless you somehow know that all of these people only have experience with server-side programming.
- vor_ 12y ago
  Suggesting anything "critical of Apple's product" automatically gets voted down just makes me roll my eyes.

by Dewie 12y ago

acqq 12y ago

It's the most innovative performant language for any GUI. There are maybe more innovative but less usable languages. If there isn't any better existing for any other platform, it's certainly not Apple's fault.

Dewie 12y ago

Wow, when I went to bed this comment was at 2 karma. Now it is at a negative (-3) and so are all the comments in this chain of replies that was critical of Apple's product, when before they were not greyed out. Fancy that. :)

acqq 12y ago
What if it's because the claims in the mentioned comments were actually unsubstantiated? Read the article linked by aidanhs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7898305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7898305 From the article: "no, your experience with server-side programming does not adequately prepare you to “think small” and correctly reason about mobile performance."
- Dewie 12y ago
  > What if it's because the claims in the mentioned comments were actually unsubstantiated? Read the article linked by aidanhs: > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7898305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7898305 Red herring. aidanhs' reply was to someone who genuinely asked why garbage collection is problematic. The comments I'm talking about have not mentioned garbage collection, just questioning what innovative really is. I guess you then tried to infer that they thought that garbage collection vs. reference counting doesn't matter, i.e. isn't innovative? I find that to be an unfair inference. They might as well think that something like that has already been done/is being done, i.e. with Rust and how it relegates any automatic memory management to opt-in libraries. So it seems to be a disagreement about what is really worthy of being called innovative, not any technical merit, as the comments that I'm talking about has not questioned that. > From the article: > "no, your experience with server-side programming does not adequately prepare you to “think small” and correctly reason about mobile performance." Straw man, unless you somehow know that all of these people only have experience with server-side programming.
vor_ 12y ago
Suggesting anything "critical of Apple's product" automatically gets voted down just makes me roll my eyes.