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I don't care at all how much money is being paid. So long as content providers are paying any amount, it's unequal, and needs to stop. Net Neutrality would be

I don't care at all how much money is being paid. So long as content providers are paying any amount, it's unequal, and needs to stop. Net Neutrality would be a good step. Common carrier status would be better.

diminoten 12y ago
Who the hell are you to tell me how and who I peer with? It's my network, you shouldn't be able to force me to peer with actors who will flood me.
- wmf 12y ago
  I agree that nobody should be forced to peer. But if a content provider is "flooding" an ISP, refusing to peer will just cause those packets to arrive via more-expensive transit. How bad do you want to spite Netflix?
  - diminoten 12y ago
    Refusing to peer won't cause those packets to arrive at nearly the rate they were arriving previously, which means my network won't flood, which is less expensive for me. I don't want to spite Netflix at all, I just don't want my network flooded. (I probably also shouldn't have promised folks I could deliver all of these packets, either, but that's another issue)
    - aaronblohowiak 12y ago
      >I don't want to spite Netflix at all, I just don't want my network flooded. You have different incentives than people trying to protect their transactional VOD content businesses.
- msandford 12y ago
  You've got that backwards. From this very high level the Internet is PULL ONLY. Netflix doesn't start streaming data to customers just to waste bandwidth and fuck up your network with a flood. That's a DoS/DDoS attack. The "flood" is actually your paying customers who thought that you were telling the truth when you promised them X/Y internet service. They are trying to utilize the service they have paid for and you are preventing them from doing so. To not provide them with the service that was promised could be construed as fraud informally if not legally. I'm sure there is plenty of language in an ISPs retail contract that says that customers can fuck right off for any and all reasons and no matter what the ISP is not at fault. But while it might be legal it's definitely dishonest.
- vertex-four 12y ago
  You don't have to peer with anyone... you wouldn't have any customers, but that's certainly your choice. You just can't charge for peering, given that it's your retail customers who are paying you to deliver them access to the Internet.
- marcosdumay 12y ago
  Well, sorry, but both the ISPs are the ones initiating connections to Netflix. If they think Netflix is flooding then, they can just stop asking it to send data (and deal with their clients afterward).

diminoten 12y ago

Who the hell are you to tell me how and who I peer with? It's my network, you shouldn't be able to force me to peer with actors who will flood me.

wmf 12y ago
I agree that nobody should be forced to peer. But if a content provider is "flooding" an ISP, refusing to peer will just cause those packets to arrive via more-expensive transit. How bad do you want to spite Netflix?
- diminoten 12y ago
  Refusing to peer won't cause those packets to arrive at nearly the rate they were arriving previously, which means my network won't flood, which is less expensive for me. I don't want to spite Netflix at all, I just don't want my network flooded. (I probably also shouldn't have promised folks I could deliver all of these packets, either, but that's another issue)
  - aaronblohowiak 12y ago
    >I don't want to spite Netflix at all, I just don't want my network flooded. You have different incentives than people trying to protect their transactional VOD content businesses.
msandford 12y ago
You've got that backwards. From this very high level the Internet is PULL ONLY. Netflix doesn't start streaming data to customers just to waste bandwidth and fuck up your network with a flood. That's a DoS/DDoS attack. The "flood" is actually your paying customers who thought that you were telling the truth when you promised them X/Y internet service. They are trying to utilize the service they have paid for and you are preventing them from doing so. To not provide them with the service that was promised could be construed as fraud informally if not legally. I'm sure there is plenty of language in an ISPs retail contract that says that customers can fuck right off for any and all reasons and no matter what the ISP is not at fault. But while it might be legal it's definitely dishonest.
vertex-four 12y ago
You don't have to peer with anyone... you wouldn't have any customers, but that's certainly your choice. You just can't charge for peering, given that it's your retail customers who are paying you to deliver them access to the Internet.
marcosdumay 12y ago
Well, sorry, but both the ISPs are the ones initiating connections to Netflix. If they think Netflix is flooding then, they can just stop asking it to send data (and deal with their clients afterward).