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HipHop: A "Popcorn Time" for music
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- rjtavares 12y agoThe name is really confusing. A music app called HipHop that isn't focused in hip hop music in particular? That's like naming a bookstore "Comics" and selling all kinds of books. Rapgenius may be branching out (and I have the same doubts in them keeping the rapgenius name), but at least they actually started with rap.
- papa_bear 12y agoIn your example, I'd argue that hip hop is a more dominating segment of music than comics are of books. Maybe a book store called "Novel" that sold all kinds of books, which sounds less far fetched for some reason.
- rjtavares 12y agoDominating in youth, not well respected by older people, getting into the mainstream because people born in the 80s grew up with it... I don't know, comics sounded like a good counterpart.
- thaumasiotes 12y ago"Novel" is the medium. It'd be more like calling a bookstore "Chick Lit" and selling all genres.
- iotasigma 12y ago"In computer networking, a hop is one portion of the path between source and destination. Data packets pass through routers and gateways on the way. Each time packets are passed to the next device, a hop occurs."
- rjtavares 12y agoFacebook uses hiphop as a name for a php platform, and that's fine. The problem here is that you are using it in a music context.
- jpgvm 12y agoInteresting. Is the source available?
- galapago 12y agohttp://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop http://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop
- daGrevis 12y agoThe main selling point of Popcorn Time is that it allows to watch movies more easily than solutions that asks money for that. I don't think music industry has this problem — there are services like Spotify, Rdio and many more that offers painless listening. That aside, the app looks really polished and I'm glad it has Linux support backed in.
- bru 12y agoHowever, unlike Popcorn Time, this one is closed source.
- newaccountfool 12y agoNo adverts?
- jbverschoor 12y agoNice! I like to listen to some japanese artists, which are not available on spotify etc. Here they are!
- jdotjdot 12y agoWhen I came across this I genuinely thought it was referring to Facebook's Hip Hop Virtual Machine--not music at all.
- whatcd 12y agoNo web app?
- janus24 12y agoIt use youtube to have the file of the track https://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop/blob/master/coffee/_player.coffee https://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop/blob/master/coffee/_play... And lastfm/itunes for the information (artist, title, cover) https://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop/blob/master/coffee/_TrackSource.class.coffee https://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop/blob/master/coffee/_Trac...
- suoloordi 12y agoI think Youtube won't like it when third parties use their content, but hide the video player.
- YungLean 12y agoWhere are the tracks coming from?
- skimmas 12y agoyoutube
- d135_1r43 12y agoAs a part time musician who needs to spend around 10k for a new album I find this frustrating.
- massappeal 12y agodo you find that your ROI for your albums has significantly decreased in recent years due to piracy or products like this?
- scotchmi_st 12y agoWith due respect for you as someone trying to make money as a musician, your problem is that no-one knows your music, not that people are 'stealing' it.
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- Fuxy 12y agoThe guys from Tek Syndicate[1] seem to be ok with piracy of their albums however they do ask you to buy it if you think it's good and worth the money. I think that approach is the best one to have. Pirate it try it out if you really love it please buy it. You can find it here[2] i know it's a pain to find a link to the album on the main site I need to send them a message about it. [1] https://teksyndicate.com/ https://teksyndicate.com/ [2] http://zweihander.bandcamp.com/ http://zweihander.bandcamp.com/
- aw3c2 12y agoWould you mind sharing what that money goes into?
- dankoss 12y agoAs someone looking to do this myself I can tell you. Any good studio these days charges at least $100/hour for time recording. Even if you walk in ready to go, it can take 4 or more hours to record one song. More if there are complicated production tasks like auditioning different guitar amps or vocal mics. At some studios, their price includes an engineer, but often a good engineer charges extra. Once the song is recorded, a separate mixing engineer will take the raw tracks and make a finished mix. Then a mastering engineer will polish them further for different markets including radio or AAC. And if you need or want a producer, arranger, cowriter, or session player, you have to pay them for their time. All the while you need to eat and pay rent as an artist or band. $10k is an average budget for a short album, and consider to break even an artist must sell 13,000 songs if independent through iTunes, more if they split revenue with a label. How many artists have less than 13,000 fans? This is why many record deals today include touring revenue as part of the contract, because they know they can't sell enough downloads to recoup the cost.
- dorian-graph 12y ago> We believe that listening to music should always be free and available to everyone, and that only owning it should bare a cost. Why?
- vsakos 12y agoIt's actually a well-designed youtube client that doesn's show the video to the users, just the music, am i right?
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- tragomaskhalos 12y agoWhat's the catch?
- glomph 12y agoIf it sources the tracks from youtube I don't really understand why it needs to be a native app. http://streamus.com/ http://streamus.com/ is a pretty neat chrome extension that does very similar but there are also plenty of websites that do this.
- tedivm 12y agoSome people like native apps. There's room for both here.
- peteretep 12y agoI am still consistently frustrated by lack of video content at reasonable prices, and while I never used it, Popcorn Time seemed like a good thing to me. But, music is a solved problem for me, via Spotify, and I find then that my gut feeling on this is instead that it's parasitic.
- tiglionabbit 12y agoFor me, video is solved by Amazon Instant Video. They have everything, and it's usually $2-3 a video.
- kuschku 12y agoAgain, this is a regional problem – in my country we have no Netflix and videos on Amazon Instant Video cost at least 7 or 8$ each (just for renting them for viewing them one time – if you want to view them multiple times, pay 19$) Which means Amazon Instant Video is, if you want to watch videos multiple times, more expensive than buying the DVD or BluRay.
- tiglionabbit 12y agoOh, you're right. I guess I mostly buy TV show episodes.
- mambodog 12y agoExcept if you're in the world (not the US).
- peteretep 12y agoMaybe I should look more in to that. I'm using Netflix, which I pay for, and Amazon's ondemand video stuff I get from Prime. I paid for the most recent Sherlock, but I think I'm still a bit cheap for anything that isn't All You Can Eat.
- Touche 12y agoSo you're saying that music is priced reasonably but video is not... which is the difference between PT being good and HipHop being bad... what makes you the sole decider of pricing? To me it seems that either both are valid or none are.
- mkesper 12y agoI like exploring rarely heard and legally downloadable music on http://www.jamendo.com http://www.jamendo.com
- ing33k 12y agoLooks neat. I want to know if this consumes the same bandwidth required to stream a video ..
- tpio 12y agoIt seems the quality of many of the songs are sub-optimal. Would be nice to have some sort of bit rate indicator in the GUI so that I could skip the 128kbps songs. Other than that it seems to have everything I've looked for
- giulivo 12y agoquality indeed is my main concern too ... I haven't started using any of the cloud services simply because none (that I know) provides lossless music.
- bmaland 12y agoWiMP recently launched a lossless streaming service (http://wimpmusic.com/ http://wimpmusic.com/). It's not available in the US though.
- runeks 12y ago> quality indeed is my main concern too ... I haven't started using any of the cloud services simply because none (that I know) provides lossless music. Have you tried performing an A/B test to see if you can tell the difference between lossless CD audio and 192 kbit AAC (the format used for 720p video on YouTube)?
- giulivo 12y agohi, no I haven't A/B tested those but I'm sure the videos sound very good. The hifi equipment is probably far more important than the quality issues of a 192AAC vs the CD. Yet, I think you're looking at it from the wrong perspective, let me give you an argument. Keeping the sound of good quality while lowering the bandwidth is an issue; the 192bit AAC is a great achievement in that regard. Recording and reproducing music with highest quality is another; the CD itself is not entirely lossless in this context. So I just think for a music streaming service it would be nice to not diminish the music quality at the source of reproducing chain.
- dvabhishek 12y agoThis is an alternative, depends on soundcloud for tracks. Front-end is under development though. https://github.com/effive/Auk https://github.com/effive/Auk
- beeglebug 12y agoTypo: "bare a cost" should be "bear a cost".
- angusb 12y agoI know that there's a kick to be got out of circumventing the draconian rules big music/film industry lobby into law, but what do the writers think about independents that they effectively take down in the same blow? This is a genuine question, not an attack. I've spent a lot of time studying/writing/playing music and through that have got to personally know many of the most talented and versatile musicians I've ever come across. These people are skilled like Douglas Crockford, John Resig, you name it. But they have to make the assumption that the music they want to do - their own music - will never make any money in a recorded format, forcing them to do wedding gigs during the day instead. I'm interested to know what people think about this. Do people think that the end (taking power away from big music industry) justifies the loss for those small-time players, or is it something that simply hasn't been considered at all? Do you have a justification for saying that all music should be free, or is it just that it would be nice if all music was free?
- krig 12y ago> I'm interested to know what people think about this. Do people think that the end (taking power away from big music industry) justifies the loss for those small-time players, or is it something that simply hasn't been considered at all? My opinion: The end justifies the loss. Secure and private file sharing is going to be essential for ensuring liberty in the future. I am absolutely convinced about that. You can't have that and make piracy impossible at the same time. The people who make tools for circumventing digital restrictions today are doing the groundwork for essential technology of the future.
- louhike 12y agoWhy is it essential? And why is this liberty? People may disagree with you and tell that musicians must have the liberty to get money from their music through sales. Can we really force them to give it for free? Music production cost a lot of money and involve a lot of persons to work on it. Musicians already have to do a lot of gigs to cover the cost of recording music. Even artists like Jeff Buckley had to work a lot to repay the studio.
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- afro88 12y agoThe first thing I thought of as a successful independent music producer - are my tracks on there? And why are they trying to steal away my 0.000000001c that Spotify pays me? (exaggeration for effect) Also, why the opinion that listening to music should always be free? How is that a worthwhile cause? It's like saying driving cars should be free, but owning one should cost money. edit: Just saw that it uses Youtube for the source files. Do the plays count against the Youtube video then? If so, great.
- Touche 12y agoWhy the opinion that it shouldn't be free? Technology has made it defacto free.
- terminalcommand 12y agoFor those of you who get the error of libudev.so.0 library. Following commands will help. 1) sudo apt-get install libudev1 2) ln -s /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libudev.so.1 ./libudev.so.0 --You could put this part in a batch file --- 3) LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(pwd):$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./HipHop $
- conatus 12y agoIf this is backed out by YouTube then the artists involved do receive the royalties from plays provided they are hooked up to a payment collection agency, which are geographically specific. I searched for one of the artists (Talk Less Say More) from my label (Records On Ribs - http://recordsonribs.com http://recordsonribs.com) and it instantly played.
- Argorak 12y ago> We believe that listening to music should always be free and available to everyone, and that only owning it should bare a cost. I hate this entitlement. As if it was their decision. As if they were running a social movement. I am all for open access to arts, but this is the artists decision and not some programmers, just because they can.
- kruk 12y agoI absolutely agree. Plus how is 'owning music' different from being able to always listen to it for free?
- TilmanGriesel 12y agoCompletely right! They have to build a spotify / popcorn clone for open, not for commercial music. I took a short look into their source code and I discovered that they are using youtube (google video) for playback, the iTunes API to get the top list, LastFM to get the covers. One song is round about 20MB because they play the entire video. Nothing more then a youtube fronted stitched together from 3 API's and inspired by Popcorn Time. I think google will block it as soon as they can. And after a short try I mentioned that some songs are only bad covers from private people. Well ... yeah
- lorisg 12y agoExcept Google cannot block it so easily : API calls cannot be filtered out from legit ones using API keys or IP addresses
- jdswain 12y agoThis kind of app appears to be prohibited in the YouTube terms of service https://developers.google.com/youtube/terms https://developers.google.com/youtube/terms : II. Prohibitions Your API Client will not, and You will not encourage or create functionality for Your users or other third parties to: 8. separate, isolate, or modify the audio or video components of any YouTube audiovisual content made available through the YouTube API; 9. promote separately the audio or video components of any YouTube audiovisual content made available through the YouTube API; So I can't imagine it lasting long.
- runeks 12y agoThe response to that would probably be for HipHop to integrate code used to download YouTube content (like that used by https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/). API access isn't necessary. EDIT: Looks like they already use a YouTube downloader, and not the API: https://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop/blob/master/coffee/_player.coffee#L2 https://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop/blob/master/coffee/_play...
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- SyncTheory13 12y agoSince this whole post seems to have turned into a debate on supporting artists, etc... I'd like to add the idea of going to as many concerts as possible and supporting local/small music at a mich higher rate thannational/international acts. Even when attending a major concert, a higher percentage of the merch and ticket sales, etc. reaches the actual artist. I understand this isn't an option for everyone but I think more people should consider it.
- roma1n 12y agoPopcorn time really filled a void; how is hiphop different from say, grooveshark or deezer?
- joesmo 12y agoAllegedly searches 45 million songs but returns only a few results which aren't even sortable. Doesn't seem that useful.
- teknologist 12y agoThis is nice. Do you think you could add support for the keyboard media keys (back, forward, pause, etc.) and volume controls present on the standard mac keyboard?
- chris123 12y agoWho is working on a "BittorrentCoin?