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Occasional, unmonitored use changed my life for the better no question about it, and I still feel that way even though I haven't touched it in years. I can't t

by h1karu 12y ago

Occasional, unmonitored use changed my life for the better no question about it, and I still feel that way even though I haven't touched it in years. I can't think of another drug that I could say that about. If you're waiting around for the DEA to decide to write you a permission slip then you may end up waiting for the rest of your life. The government probably views this drug as the most dangerous one in existence and I'll try to explain why: MDMA seems to have the power to help people heal psychological wounds and come together despite their differences, but that's a nightmare for a government who rather have populations remain afraid of one another, fighting with one another, and relying on the government to solve their problems. The government sees it's role as manifesting order out of chaos, and if people are not psychologically conflicted and fighting with one another then a day might come when they begin to feel that they can work together to solve problems on their own without the need for nearly as much government supervision.

pstuart 12y ago
I respectfully disagree on the reasoning for keeping these drugs illegal. The most likely motivation is as a tool for population control -- look at who was targeted in making cannabis illegal and then how Nixon used the War on Drugs as a weapon against those hippie anti-war activists. With significant brainwashing, many people today fear these drugs as directly dangerous, not as a mind opening tool. Try asking people if they think LSD should be legal -- I bet a majority will say no. I myself think that all drugs should be legal.
- h1karu 12y ago
  I don't like the idea of lumping all "drugs" together. I don't like it when the government does it and I don't like it when well meaning individuals do it. While I generally don't approve of the practice of men with guns threatening violence to those who would ingest certain plants I do think that of all the drugs known to man LSD makes the strongest case for some form of restriction. I think that perhaps it alone should be restricted in the same way that access to plutonium is restricted, with the aside that individuals who would like enough for their own personal use should of course be granted (free) access. You see the problem with that particular problem child is that enough LSD to dose every man woman and child on earth could be produced in a single lab and held within a coffee cup which makes it uniquely dangerous as a weapon of mass oppression if it were to fall into the wrong hands. Also the fact that you can't easily test a substance for LSD increases the liklihood of individuals being exposed who did not wish to be exposed. Therefor the risks that it will be used as a kind of weapon against unsuspecting populations is too great relative to other drugs. I'd also like to point out that LSD doesn't seem to universally help people in the way that responsible amounts of MDMA (and arguably cannabis) does. I don't think there is a justification for the restriction of other psychedelics that don't have these risks of weaponization such as various mushrooms, cactai, certain vines, etc.
  - Nursie 12y ago
    LSD is not unique in being of that sort of potency. There are several other related ergoloids that are of similar potency (though usually a bit less). Some of the psychedelic amphetamines fall into this category too. Many have doses in the sub-1mg range. Some exotics (Bromo-dragonfly) are not only effective in the same dose range as LSD, but last several times as long and are far more toxic. The LD50 of LSD is quite forgiving as I understand it, with BDF it is not and people have died. There are other substances that border on poison - carfentanil is an opiate used to stun elephants and is active in humans at the 1ug range. I also dislike the catch-all term 'drugs', but LSD is not entirely unique in its potency.
    - h1karu 12y ago
      wonders never cease, thank you for the information.
    - girvo 12y ago
      There are even opiates that are in that realm of potency: some of which are an order of magnitude stronger!
  - swombat 12y ago
    > You see the problem with that particular problem child is that enough LSD to dose every man woman and child on earth could be produced in a single lab and held within a coffee cup which makes it uniquely dangerous as a weapon of mass oppression if it were to fall into the wrong hands. Also the fact that you can't easily test a substance for LSD increases the liklihood of individuals being exposed who did not wish to be exposed. How the hell would you use LSD in that way "for oppression" or "as a weapon"? The main effect seems to be to cause uncontrollable giddiness and happiness. The British Military actually tried to use LSD as a weapon. This was the result when they tested it against soldiers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX7m4fqTLKU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX7m4fqTLKU Needless to say, the "weapon" potential was quickly dismissed. Edit: Here's a US equivalent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUQNqIIGN88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUQNqIIGN88 In short, LSD causes people to disregard authority, act chaotically and unpredictably, lose their ability to follow orders. It's also highly volatile so likely to backfire on the people administering it, causing them to get high too. From more direct experience, I can also say that LSD causes you to re-examine fundamental beliefs in quite an intense way. Not at all what you want to use on a population you want to control. In fact, if you were a dictator trying to retain control of an oppressed population, you should probably do everything in your power to avoid mass use of LSD in that population.
Sanddancer 12y ago
My apprehension is more about finding a good quality source than about the actual legality. Given that so much MDMA is cut with meth, and that I have pretty hardcore social anxiety problems, I don't want to have to look around for a good source. I want the benefits of quality control that a legitimate market would bring. Also, the monitored usage thing is more about finding someone capable of guiding me to talking about various traumas and stuff that trigger me in my day-to-day life. I've had bad experiences in the past of being the person to guide someone when trying to deal with their own demons, and have triggered my own in the process. I want someone I can trust, but is a relative neutral third party, who I can trust to guide me and help start to heal some deep-seated wounds. This is hard given the current framework, and something I do deeply want to help with my own healing process.
- h1karu 12y ago
  Well finding pure MDMA can be problematic but it's certainly not an insurmountable problem if you take your time and research it well. While it's true that there is a fair amount of "cut" product and even fake product on the market the DEA's own statistics do show that a large and growing percentage of seized "ecstasy" is testing pure, so statistically speaking you're more likely to find pure MDMA on the black market today than at any time in the past. With that said you do have to be careful. There are ways to rule out the presence of certain contaminants such as methamphetamine, you might try purchasing a kit which provides certain chemicals that test for the presence of methamphetamine and other contaminants: http://www.raveready.com/MDMA-Ecstasy-Testing-Kit-p/dansacc.htm http://www.raveready.com/MDMA-Ecstasy-Testing-Kit-p/dansacc.... (I'm not vouching for the above kit in particular, do your own research in this area) If you feel like you need a third party to be there with you then maybe you do, each person is different. I will say that MDMA isn't like a psychedelic where you definitely want to have a "trip sitter" present, it's a much more controllable experience. In my opinion MDMA may feel mystical, magical or sublime; but it doesn't feel weird. MDMA "provides a centering experience, rather than an ego diffusing experience" (Dr. Philip Wolfson). If you decide to go ahead without one then let me advise you to try it outdoors in private setting, perhaps near a lake, or a mountain top, somewhere with a view where you can roam about enjoy yourself. If you have a significant other then I highly recommend taking it together. This drug is perfect for couples therapy.

by h1karu 12y ago

pstuart 12y ago

I respectfully disagree on the reasoning for keeping these drugs illegal. The most likely motivation is as a tool for population control -- look at who was targeted in making cannabis illegal and then how Nixon used the War on Drugs as a weapon against those hippie anti-war activists. With significant brainwashing, many people today fear these drugs as directly dangerous, not as a mind opening tool. Try asking people if they think LSD should be legal -- I bet a majority will say no. I myself think that all drugs should be legal.

h1karu 12y ago
I don't like the idea of lumping all "drugs" together. I don't like it when the government does it and I don't like it when well meaning individuals do it. While I generally don't approve of the practice of men with guns threatening violence to those who would ingest certain plants I do think that of all the drugs known to man LSD makes the strongest case for some form of restriction. I think that perhaps it alone should be restricted in the same way that access to plutonium is restricted, with the aside that individuals who would like enough for their own personal use should of course be granted (free) access. You see the problem with that particular problem child is that enough LSD to dose every man woman and child on earth could be produced in a single lab and held within a coffee cup which makes it uniquely dangerous as a weapon of mass oppression if it were to fall into the wrong hands. Also the fact that you can't easily test a substance for LSD increases the liklihood of individuals being exposed who did not wish to be exposed. Therefor the risks that it will be used as a kind of weapon against unsuspecting populations is too great relative to other drugs. I'd also like to point out that LSD doesn't seem to universally help people in the way that responsible amounts of MDMA (and arguably cannabis) does. I don't think there is a justification for the restriction of other psychedelics that don't have these risks of weaponization such as various mushrooms, cactai, certain vines, etc.
- Nursie 12y ago
  LSD is not unique in being of that sort of potency. There are several other related ergoloids that are of similar potency (though usually a bit less). Some of the psychedelic amphetamines fall into this category too. Many have doses in the sub-1mg range. Some exotics (Bromo-dragonfly) are not only effective in the same dose range as LSD, but last several times as long and are far more toxic. The LD50 of LSD is quite forgiving as I understand it, with BDF it is not and people have died. There are other substances that border on poison - carfentanil is an opiate used to stun elephants and is active in humans at the 1ug range. I also dislike the catch-all term 'drugs', but LSD is not entirely unique in its potency.
  - h1karu 12y ago
    wonders never cease, thank you for the information.
  - girvo 12y ago
    There are even opiates that are in that realm of potency: some of which are an order of magnitude stronger!
- swombat 12y ago
  > You see the problem with that particular problem child is that enough LSD to dose every man woman and child on earth could be produced in a single lab and held within a coffee cup which makes it uniquely dangerous as a weapon of mass oppression if it were to fall into the wrong hands. Also the fact that you can't easily test a substance for LSD increases the liklihood of individuals being exposed who did not wish to be exposed. How the hell would you use LSD in that way "for oppression" or "as a weapon"? The main effect seems to be to cause uncontrollable giddiness and happiness. The British Military actually tried to use LSD as a weapon. This was the result when they tested it against soldiers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX7m4fqTLKU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX7m4fqTLKU Needless to say, the "weapon" potential was quickly dismissed. Edit: Here's a US equivalent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUQNqIIGN88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUQNqIIGN88 In short, LSD causes people to disregard authority, act chaotically and unpredictably, lose their ability to follow orders. It's also highly volatile so likely to backfire on the people administering it, causing them to get high too. From more direct experience, I can also say that LSD causes you to re-examine fundamental beliefs in quite an intense way. Not at all what you want to use on a population you want to control. In fact, if you were a dictator trying to retain control of an oppressed population, you should probably do everything in your power to avoid mass use of LSD in that population.

Sanddancer 12y ago

My apprehension is more about finding a good quality source than about the actual legality. Given that so much MDMA is cut with meth, and that I have pretty hardcore social anxiety problems, I don't want to have to look around for a good source. I want the benefits of quality control that a legitimate market would bring. Also, the monitored usage thing is more about finding someone capable of guiding me to talking about various traumas and stuff that trigger me in my day-to-day life. I've had bad experiences in the past of being the person to guide someone when trying to deal with their own demons, and have triggered my own in the process. I want someone I can trust, but is a relative neutral third party, who I can trust to guide me and help start to heal some deep-seated wounds. This is hard given the current framework, and something I do deeply want to help with my own healing process.

h1karu 12y ago
Well finding pure MDMA can be problematic but it's certainly not an insurmountable problem if you take your time and research it well. While it's true that there is a fair amount of "cut" product and even fake product on the market the DEA's own statistics do show that a large and growing percentage of seized "ecstasy" is testing pure, so statistically speaking you're more likely to find pure MDMA on the black market today than at any time in the past. With that said you do have to be careful. There are ways to rule out the presence of certain contaminants such as methamphetamine, you might try purchasing a kit which provides certain chemicals that test for the presence of methamphetamine and other contaminants: http://www.raveready.com/MDMA-Ecstasy-Testing-Kit-p/dansacc.htm http://www.raveready.com/MDMA-Ecstasy-Testing-Kit-p/dansacc.... (I'm not vouching for the above kit in particular, do your own research in this area) If you feel like you need a third party to be there with you then maybe you do, each person is different. I will say that MDMA isn't like a psychedelic where you definitely want to have a "trip sitter" present, it's a much more controllable experience. In my opinion MDMA may feel mystical, magical or sublime; but it doesn't feel weird. MDMA "provides a centering experience, rather than an ego diffusing experience" (Dr. Philip Wolfson). If you decide to go ahead without one then let me advise you to try it outdoors in private setting, perhaps near a lake, or a mountain top, somewhere with a view where you can roam about enjoy yourself. If you have a significant other then I highly recommend taking it together. This drug is perfect for couples therapy.