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How many people can say they've altered the course of human conciousness? What a hero. RIP.

by jongold 12y ago

sehr 12y ago
MDMA is growing more and more popular as we speak, quickly replacing cocaine's position as the most popular party drug in my experience. His biggest contributions are probably yet to be seen tbh, an entire generation is growing up alongside them
- h1karu 12y ago
  MDMA is a party drug that longs to live a straight life.. see the video I posted elsewhere in this thread.
  - Sanddancer 12y ago
    Aye. Everything I've read seems to suggest that the various mental malfunctions I have would be greatly improved by occasional, monitored uses of MDMA, but I'm rather apprehensive about even approaching such a thing due to the fact that it is schedule one. It's a complete and utter shame that the DEA is clinging to now-discredited research as to why even research on the chemical shouldn't be performed.
    - h1karu 12y ago
      Occasional, unmonitored use changed my life for the better no question about it, and I still feel that way even though I haven't touched it in years. I can't think of another drug that I could say that about. If you're waiting around for the DEA to decide to write you a permission slip then you may end up waiting for the rest of your life. The government probably views this drug as the most dangerous one in existence and I'll try to explain why: MDMA seems to have the power to help people heal psychological wounds and come together despite their differences, but that's a nightmare for a government who rather have populations remain afraid of one another, fighting with one another, and relying on the government to solve their problems. The government sees it's role as manifesting order out of chaos, and if people are not psychologically conflicted and fighting with one another then a day might come when they begin to feel that they can work together to solve problems on their own without the need for nearly as much government supervision.
      - pstuart 12y ago
        I respectfully disagree on the reasoning for keeping these drugs illegal. The most likely motivation is as a tool for population control -- look at who was targeted in making cannabis illegal and then how Nixon used the War on Drugs as a weapon against those hippie anti-war activists. With significant brainwashing, many people today fear these drugs as directly dangerous, not as a mind opening tool. Try asking people if they think LSD should be legal -- I bet a majority will say no. I myself think that all drugs should be legal.
        h1karu 12y ago
        I don't like the idea of lumping all "drugs" together. I don't like it when the government does it and I don't like it when well meaning individuals do it. While I generally don't approve of the practice of men with guns threatening violence to those who would ingest certain plants I do think that of all the drugs known to man LSD makes the strongest case for some form of restriction. I think that perhaps it alone should be restricted in the same way that access to plutonium is restricted, with the aside that individuals who would like enough for their own personal use should of course be granted (free) access. You see the problem with that particular problem child is that enough LSD to dose every man woman and child on earth could be produced in a single lab and held within a coffee cup which makes it uniquely dangerous as a weapon of mass oppression if it were to fall into the wrong hands. Also the fact that you can't easily test a substance for LSD increases the liklihood of individuals being exposed who did not wish to be exposed. Therefor the risks that it will be used as a kind of weapon against unsuspecting populations is too great relative to other drugs. I'd also like to point out that LSD doesn't seem to universally help people in the way that responsible amounts of MDMA (and arguably cannabis) does. I don't think there is a justification for the restriction of other psychedelics that don't have these risks of weaponization such as various mushrooms, cactai, certain vines, etc.
        Nursie 12y ago
        LSD is not unique in being of that sort of potency. There are several other related ergoloids that are of similar potency (though usually a bit less). Some of the psychedelic amphetamines fall into this category too. Many have doses in the sub-1mg range. Some exotics (Bromo-dragonfly) are not only effective in the same dose range as LSD, but last several times as long and are far more toxic. The LD50 of LSD is quite forgiving as I understand it, with BDF it is not and people have died. There are other substances that border on poison - carfentanil is an opiate used to stun elephants and is active in humans at the 1ug range. I also dislike the catch-all term 'drugs', but LSD is not entirely unique in its potency.
- exDM69 12y ago
  > MDMA is growing more and more popular as we speak, quickly replacing cocaine's position as the most popular party drug in my experience. It's also worth mentioning that MDMA is manufactured from Sassafras oil which comes from an endangered species of trees. There's a risk of the Sassafras trees becoming extinct because of MDMA manufacture in clandestine chemical plants in the jungles of south east Asia.
  - cfontes 12y ago
    Thanks for the info. Very interresting.
  - logfromblammo 12y ago
    I recently donned my foil hat and became convinced that safrole (the major component of sassafras oil) was banned as a food additive for being a carcinogen because of MDMA. The study determining carcinogenicity, which would ban the substance automatically due to a 1960 FDA rule, occurred in 1977. The substance itself was not found to be carcinogenic, but two metabolites--found in rodents but not humans--were. Shulgin began research on MDMA in 1976. Foil hat is the best psychoactive drug.
    - rmrfrmrf 12y ago
      1976 --> 1 + 9 + 7 + 6 = 23 O__O
      - logfromblammo 12y ago
        "MDMA" = char[5] {77,68,77,65,0} 5 characters. 77+68+77+65+0 = 287 = 7*41. 7 and 41 are the 4th and 13th primes. 13-4 = 9. The 9th prime? 23.
  - cnp 12y ago
    I'm trying to find a reference (it's out there, I promise) I learned recently that sassafras is no longer the primary precursor, and MDMA produced using it is actually somewhat rare these days.
  - 12y ago
- cnp 12y ago
  And thank God for that. Cocaine is the most evil drug I can think of and MDMA is one of the most holy. You don't pump cartel hitmen full of MDMA and tell them to kill men, women and children, but cocaine on the other hand is just the tool. If you extend that by small degrees down to the party scene, all you get is bad news. Its the worst, most worthless, and most dangerous drug out there.
  - base698 12y ago
    As someone that lost their mom to a (legal) opiate OD, I contest that cocaine is the most evil drug. Most all of ODs in general are opiates and the negative life effects and addiction is much higher with heroin and opiates than cocaine.
    - cnp 12y ago
      Just to clarify, by "evil" I mean, literally, that it makes you do evil things. I'm not talking about overall cost to society.
    - Scoundreller 12y ago
      Thankfully, at least someone on the planet tried to rank the relative harms of drugs. He was, of course, not a politician, and the nearest politicians fired him from his scientific-governmental posting. David Nutt published his rankings here: http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_caus... Alcohol, heroin and crack cocaine topped the list, in that order. Ecstasy was near the bottom of the list.
      - cnp 12y ago
        Quite pleased to see mushrooms down there at the very, very bottom.
  - cookingrobot 12y ago
    Pretty sure narco-violence isn't caused by drug crazed gangsters, but by a combination of prohibition and weak/corrupt law enforcement. It's a huge industry and only criminals are allowed to participate.
- collyw 12y ago
  I hope this is the case. MDMA brings out the best characteristics in people. Cocaine not so in my experience.

How many people can say they've altered the course of human conciousness? What a hero. RIP.

by jongold 12y ago

How many people can say they've altered the course of human conciousness? What a hero. RIP.

sehr 12y ago

MDMA is growing more and more popular as we speak, quickly replacing cocaine's position as the most popular party drug in my experience. His biggest contributions are probably yet to be seen tbh, an entire generation is growing up alongside them

h1karu 12y ago
MDMA is a party drug that longs to live a straight life.. see the video I posted elsewhere in this thread.
- Sanddancer 12y ago
  Aye. Everything I've read seems to suggest that the various mental malfunctions I have would be greatly improved by occasional, monitored uses of MDMA, but I'm rather apprehensive about even approaching such a thing due to the fact that it is schedule one. It's a complete and utter shame that the DEA is clinging to now-discredited research as to why even research on the chemical shouldn't be performed.
  - h1karu 12y ago
    Occasional, unmonitored use changed my life for the better no question about it, and I still feel that way even though I haven't touched it in years. I can't think of another drug that I could say that about. If you're waiting around for the DEA to decide to write you a permission slip then you may end up waiting for the rest of your life. The government probably views this drug as the most dangerous one in existence and I'll try to explain why: MDMA seems to have the power to help people heal psychological wounds and come together despite their differences, but that's a nightmare for a government who rather have populations remain afraid of one another, fighting with one another, and relying on the government to solve their problems. The government sees it's role as manifesting order out of chaos, and if people are not psychologically conflicted and fighting with one another then a day might come when they begin to feel that they can work together to solve problems on their own without the need for nearly as much government supervision.
    - pstuart 12y ago
      I respectfully disagree on the reasoning for keeping these drugs illegal. The most likely motivation is as a tool for population control -- look at who was targeted in making cannabis illegal and then how Nixon used the War on Drugs as a weapon against those hippie anti-war activists. With significant brainwashing, many people today fear these drugs as directly dangerous, not as a mind opening tool. Try asking people if they think LSD should be legal -- I bet a majority will say no. I myself think that all drugs should be legal.
      - h1karu 12y ago
        I don't like the idea of lumping all "drugs" together. I don't like it when the government does it and I don't like it when well meaning individuals do it. While I generally don't approve of the practice of men with guns threatening violence to those who would ingest certain plants I do think that of all the drugs known to man LSD makes the strongest case for some form of restriction. I think that perhaps it alone should be restricted in the same way that access to plutonium is restricted, with the aside that individuals who would like enough for their own personal use should of course be granted (free) access. You see the problem with that particular problem child is that enough LSD to dose every man woman and child on earth could be produced in a single lab and held within a coffee cup which makes it uniquely dangerous as a weapon of mass oppression if it were to fall into the wrong hands. Also the fact that you can't easily test a substance for LSD increases the liklihood of individuals being exposed who did not wish to be exposed. Therefor the risks that it will be used as a kind of weapon against unsuspecting populations is too great relative to other drugs. I'd also like to point out that LSD doesn't seem to universally help people in the way that responsible amounts of MDMA (and arguably cannabis) does. I don't think there is a justification for the restriction of other psychedelics that don't have these risks of weaponization such as various mushrooms, cactai, certain vines, etc.
        Nursie 12y ago
        LSD is not unique in being of that sort of potency. There are several other related ergoloids that are of similar potency (though usually a bit less). Some of the psychedelic amphetamines fall into this category too. Many have doses in the sub-1mg range. Some exotics (Bromo-dragonfly) are not only effective in the same dose range as LSD, but last several times as long and are far more toxic. The LD50 of LSD is quite forgiving as I understand it, with BDF it is not and people have died. There are other substances that border on poison - carfentanil is an opiate used to stun elephants and is active in humans at the 1ug range. I also dislike the catch-all term 'drugs', but LSD is not entirely unique in its potency.
exDM69 12y ago
> MDMA is growing more and more popular as we speak, quickly replacing cocaine's position as the most popular party drug in my experience. It's also worth mentioning that MDMA is manufactured from Sassafras oil which comes from an endangered species of trees. There's a risk of the Sassafras trees becoming extinct because of MDMA manufacture in clandestine chemical plants in the jungles of south east Asia.
- cfontes 12y ago
  Thanks for the info. Very interresting.
- logfromblammo 12y ago
  I recently donned my foil hat and became convinced that safrole (the major component of sassafras oil) was banned as a food additive for being a carcinogen because of MDMA. The study determining carcinogenicity, which would ban the substance automatically due to a 1960 FDA rule, occurred in 1977. The substance itself was not found to be carcinogenic, but two metabolites--found in rodents but not humans--were. Shulgin began research on MDMA in 1976. Foil hat is the best psychoactive drug.
  - rmrfrmrf 12y ago
    1976 --> 1 + 9 + 7 + 6 = 23 O__O
    - logfromblammo 12y ago
      "MDMA" = char[5] {77,68,77,65,0} 5 characters. 77+68+77+65+0 = 287 = 7*41. 7 and 41 are the 4th and 13th primes. 13-4 = 9. The 9th prime? 23.
- cnp 12y ago
  I'm trying to find a reference (it's out there, I promise) I learned recently that sassafras is no longer the primary precursor, and MDMA produced using it is actually somewhat rare these days.
- 12y ago
cnp 12y ago
And thank God for that. Cocaine is the most evil drug I can think of and MDMA is one of the most holy. You don't pump cartel hitmen full of MDMA and tell them to kill men, women and children, but cocaine on the other hand is just the tool. If you extend that by small degrees down to the party scene, all you get is bad news. Its the worst, most worthless, and most dangerous drug out there.
- base698 12y ago
  As someone that lost their mom to a (legal) opiate OD, I contest that cocaine is the most evil drug. Most all of ODs in general are opiates and the negative life effects and addiction is much higher with heroin and opiates than cocaine.
  - cnp 12y ago
    Just to clarify, by "evil" I mean, literally, that it makes you do evil things. I'm not talking about overall cost to society.
  - Scoundreller 12y ago
    Thankfully, at least someone on the planet tried to rank the relative harms of drugs. He was, of course, not a politician, and the nearest politicians fired him from his scientific-governmental posting. David Nutt published his rankings here: http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_caus... Alcohol, heroin and crack cocaine topped the list, in that order. Ecstasy was near the bottom of the list.
    - cnp 12y ago
      Quite pleased to see mushrooms down there at the very, very bottom.
- cookingrobot 12y ago
  Pretty sure narco-violence isn't caused by drug crazed gangsters, but by a combination of prohibition and weak/corrupt law enforcement. It's a huge industry and only criminals are allowed to participate.
collyw 12y ago
I hope this is the case. MDMA brings out the best characteristics in people. Cocaine not so in my experience.