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The data is shared with everyone Apple's wants to (or wants to sell to). Simple as that: "If you don't pay for it, then you're the product" :-). The quote of ou

by atmosx 12y ago

The data is shared with everyone Apple's wants to (or wants to sell to). Simple as that: "If you don't pay for it, then you're the product" :-). The quote of our time and the force that drives the internet's free services. ps. They will have to have servers in the EU too, if they want European clients. EU law states that medical record data of an EU citizen can only be stored in the EU-located server.

sentenza 12y ago
I wonder what will happen to that EU servers law, because it has been made completely useless by a recent court decision in the US. Therein, the judge ruled that all data on servers of US companies in the EU can be accessed by the US legal system. My prediction is that here in Germany, nobody will use cloud-based health services because of the risks. Not so sure about the rest of Europe, though.
- tomp 12y ago
  Even if the US courts rule it legal, it's still illegal in the EU. Basically, this means that US companies with servers and data in EU will find themselves in an awkward position, with potentially no choice but to break either one law or the other.
- atmosx 12y ago
  Hm, do you have any link? Sounds like judge ruling out of his jurisdiction[1]. If the servers are in Germany, Switzerland or France good luck getting USA judge rulings implemented, especially if the other party (e.g. Germany/France) is not willing to cooperate. On the other hand, maybe there's some sort of agreement between the EU and the US we don't know about. Cloud services are becoming an increased pain, decentralized/encrypted data is the future apparently. [1] Like when the US government wanted to indict Assange with charges of treason, regardless of the minor issue that he was not a 'USA' citizen, so... Treason according to whom?!
  - michaelt 12y ago
    The case is "In The Matter of a Warrant to Search a Certain Email Account Controlled by Microsoft Corporation" [1,2] In this case, it's about an e-mail account provided by Microsoft (an American company) but physically hosted in Ireland. [1] http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/25/us-usa-tech-warrants-idUSBREA3O24P20140425 http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/25/us-usa-tech-warran... [2] http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2341902/us-court-cloud-companies-must-hand-over-all-data-on-demand-regardless-of-where-it-is-held http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2341902/us-court-cloud-c...

by atmosx 12y ago

sentenza 12y ago

I wonder what will happen to that EU servers law, because it has been made completely useless by a recent court decision in the US. Therein, the judge ruled that all data on servers of US companies in the EU can be accessed by the US legal system. My prediction is that here in Germany, nobody will use cloud-based health services because of the risks. Not so sure about the rest of Europe, though.

tomp 12y ago
Even if the US courts rule it legal, it's still illegal in the EU. Basically, this means that US companies with servers and data in EU will find themselves in an awkward position, with potentially no choice but to break either one law or the other.
atmosx 12y ago
Hm, do you have any link? Sounds like judge ruling out of his jurisdiction[1]. If the servers are in Germany, Switzerland or France good luck getting USA judge rulings implemented, especially if the other party (e.g. Germany/France) is not willing to cooperate. On the other hand, maybe there's some sort of agreement between the EU and the US we don't know about. Cloud services are becoming an increased pain, decentralized/encrypted data is the future apparently. [1] Like when the US government wanted to indict Assange with charges of treason, regardless of the minor issue that he was not a 'USA' citizen, so... Treason according to whom?!
- michaelt 12y ago
  The case is "In The Matter of a Warrant to Search a Certain Email Account Controlled by Microsoft Corporation" [1,2] In this case, it's about an e-mail account provided by Microsoft (an American company) but physically hosted in Ireland. [1] http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/25/us-usa-tech-warrants-idUSBREA3O24P20140425 http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/25/us-usa-tech-warran... [2] http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2341902/us-court-cloud-companies-must-hand-over-all-data-on-demand-regardless-of-where-it-is-held http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2341902/us-court-cloud-c...