4 ms·

"An investigationof boundary conditions demonstrates that the positive inferences disappear whenthe observer is unfamiliar with the environment, when the noncon

by jiggy2011 12y ago

"An investigationof boundary conditions demonstrates that the positive inferences disappear whenthe observer is unfamiliar with the environment, when the nonconforming behavioris depicted as unintentional, and in the absence of expected norms and sharedstandards of formal conduct" So if you're dressing that way out of laziness or apathy it doesn't count, you have to be non-conforming on purpose.

Swizec 12y ago
Grey area. I have a very distinct style that is my own. It is done on purpose and I have been known to be late for things because it took me too long to choose what to wear. The style doesn't really conform to anything. So while I'm not being nonconforming to be nonconforming, I am also particular about what I wear. The only times when my dress is purely a matter of convenience/laziness is when I'm at home or working out.
MarkPNeyer 12y ago
i think you're reading this wrong. laziness and apathy are intentional; the decision is made not to conform. unintentional noncomformance would be someone who didn't even realize there WAS a standard. it's like buying a $100 pair of sunglasses because you really like them, vs. buying a $100 pair of sunglasses because you saw them and thought 'oh hey, sunglasses.' people see the former as the decision of a savvy person, the latter as that of a fool.
seanmcdirmid 12y ago
What if you are dressing down as a way to be more productive? I mean, you can't work 12 hours straight in a suit and tie, while changing after 8 would lead to inefficiency. As an aside, has anyone fathomed that some clothes are good for thinking and coding while others are good for meetings and customer engagement?
- sigil 12y ago
  > some clothes are good for thinking and coding while others are good for meetings and customer engagement It's all about credibility indicators, and they go both ways. A founder friend relates a story about the day he gave in and started wearing suits. He has a tech background and is generally averse to display, but noticed that wearing a suit was correlated with shorter meetings. On the flip side, when he dressed casually, there was a longer proving period at the beginning of every meeting where he had to establish credibility in spite appearances / signalling. So, he started bringing a suit along everywhere as a "make meetings shorter" hack. Pretty sure he plain old enjoys wearing suits at this point though.
  - ams6110 12y ago
    In the span of almost 25 years I've had only two jobs where everyone wore a suit and tie to work. While not exactly the most comfortable thing to wear, there was something about formal business attire that seemed to put everyone more or less in a productive frame of mind. For me it was sort of a feeling that "I'm dressed for work, so I should work." A mid-day impromptu game of frisbee was unlikely. It also helped separate work/home life. After work, when you got home, the act of taking off the suit--the uniform of work--was a ritual that signified "I am done working for the day." It was nice. I can't say I really ever enjoyed wearing suits, but they had their benefits.

Swizec 12y ago

Grey area. I have a very distinct style that is my own. It is done on purpose and I have been known to be late for things because it took me too long to choose what to wear. The style doesn't really conform to anything. So while I'm not being nonconforming to be nonconforming, I am also particular about what I wear. The only times when my dress is purely a matter of convenience/laziness is when I'm at home or working out.

MarkPNeyer 12y ago

i think you're reading this wrong. laziness and apathy are intentional; the decision is made not to conform. unintentional noncomformance would be someone who didn't even realize there WAS a standard. it's like buying a $100 pair of sunglasses because you really like them, vs. buying a $100 pair of sunglasses because you saw them and thought 'oh hey, sunglasses.' people see the former as the decision of a savvy person, the latter as that of a fool.

seanmcdirmid 12y ago

What if you are dressing down as a way to be more productive? I mean, you can't work 12 hours straight in a suit and tie, while changing after 8 would lead to inefficiency. As an aside, has anyone fathomed that some clothes are good for thinking and coding while others are good for meetings and customer engagement?

sigil 12y ago
> some clothes are good for thinking and coding while others are good for meetings and customer engagement It's all about credibility indicators, and they go both ways. A founder friend relates a story about the day he gave in and started wearing suits. He has a tech background and is generally averse to display, but noticed that wearing a suit was correlated with shorter meetings. On the flip side, when he dressed casually, there was a longer proving period at the beginning of every meeting where he had to establish credibility in spite appearances / signalling. So, he started bringing a suit along everywhere as a "make meetings shorter" hack. Pretty sure he plain old enjoys wearing suits at this point though.
- ams6110 12y ago
  In the span of almost 25 years I've had only two jobs where everyone wore a suit and tie to work. While not exactly the most comfortable thing to wear, there was something about formal business attire that seemed to put everyone more or less in a productive frame of mind. For me it was sort of a feeling that "I'm dressed for work, so I should work." A mid-day impromptu game of frisbee was unlikely. It also helped separate work/home life. After work, when you got home, the act of taking off the suit--the uniform of work--was a ritual that signified "I am done working for the day." It was nice. I can't say I really ever enjoyed wearing suits, but they had their benefits.