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>Old men marrying children is common in many parts of the world. There are quite a few shitty people in the world. As much as many of us hate to admit it, ther

by phaus 12y ago

>Old men marrying children is common in many parts of the world. There are quite a few shitty people in the world. As much as many of us hate to admit it, there are also quite a few shitty cultures. Any 36 year-old man, from any culture that has ever existed, that finds it acceptable to marry a 9-12 year old and then start raping her when she's 13 is a piece of shit. Any culture or individual that condones such behavior shouldn't exist anymore.

jafaku 12y ago
Yeah our culture is the best! Everyone else is wrong!
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- phaus 12y ago
  I don't really subscribe to the misinformed view that one has to be perfect in order to recognize a flaw. I criticize my own culture as much as any other, perhaps more.
- askar_yu 12y ago
  I don't think it's fair of you to imply what he did not imply. Despite all the 'cultural-sensitivity' and what not, there are some lines that have to be drawn and stated bluntly and unapologetically. In that respect, I could not have said it better than the parent comment, and 100% agree with below statement: " Any 36 year-old man, from any culture that has ever existed, that finds it acceptable to marry a 9-12 year old and then start raping her when she's 13 is a piece of shit. Any culture or individual that condones such behavior shouldn't exist anymore."
  - hrabago 12y ago
    > from any culture that has ever existed Actually there are a lot of eras that had a very low life expectancy in early times [1]. Giving birth at an age earlier than what our society finds acceptable would have been normal, if not the responsible thing to do, for those eras. Otherwise the parents would be living an unprepared 5 year old alone in the world. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy
jackmaney 12y ago
I couldn't have said it any better, myself. Not all cultures are good. Quite a few of them are, in fact, terrible, and should no longer exist.
- seanmcdirmid 12y ago
  Should we really look back on the Roman Empire as just consisting of a bunch of child rapists?
  - jackmaney 12y ago
    Yes. Next question, please.
facepalm 12y ago
Are you sure that is usually how the story plays out? I don't know, but I also don't trust the usual sources as they have their own agenda. Perhaps the percentage of rapists there is not higher than in the Western world? I also think it is very difficult to judge from a different culture. For example, what if the girls are being killed if they can't be married? (Again, I have no idea about the real workings of those cultures, but there are certainly cultures where girls get killed because parents can't afford them - not saying that that is a good state of things, but the question is who is to blame?).
- phaus 12y ago
  >For example, what if the girls are being killed if they can't be married? If this were the kind of culture that a person lived in, why not just marry them to save their lives and then not consummate the relationship? >Are you sure that is usually how the story plays out? In cultures that allow children to be married to adults, yes, this is usually how it plays out. Also, I realize there is a possibility that this particular story is fabricated. I just responded to the oft-repeated claim that we should try to be more understanding of pedophiles if and only if they are from a different culture. I can't imagine a circumstance where people should be forgiving to any 36 year-old man that has a sexual relationship with a 12-year old.
  - facepalm 12y ago
    "why not just marry them to save their lives and then not consummate the relationship?" That's what I meant - perhaps it often works out that way, and only the rape cases are being reported to the western world for emotional effect. "I just responded to the oft-repeated claim that we should try to be more understanding of pedophiles if and only if they are from a different culture." I've never heard that kind of story, but I admit that I don't read a lot about pedophiles. But it seems normal that 12 year olds have sex. Perhaps criticizing the age difference has a lot of culture dependent aspects? For example the limit of 18 years to call somebody an adult seems somewhat arbitrary. In any case I don't think pedophilia can be attached to an age limit, only to body development?
fallinghawks 12y ago
> Any 36 year-old man ... that finds it acceptable to marry a 9-12 year old and then start raping her when she's 13 is a piece of shit I would assume she fully expected to have sex with her husband, 13 years old or not. To suggest this was rape, against her will, is a bit preposterous and an incorrect usage of the word. At the same time I find it reprehensible that a 36 year old American, whose culture says underage is below 18, would get involved with what we'd consider a child.
- phaus 12y ago
  >To suggest this was rape, against her will, is a bit preposterous and an incorrect usage of the word There are different kinds of rape. It doesn't really matter if a 13 year-old consents. How many 13 year-olds do you know that are mature enough to make such a decision?
  - parasitius 12y ago
    Jesus unholy Christ, how many Yanomami 13 year olds do you even know? let me guess. NONE Go look up research on how long adolescence has been extended in the past few hundred years - now in the past 20 they're saying it has extended into the 20s. Suppose that makes most of us rapists.
  - parasitius 12y ago
    Jesus unholy Christ, how many Yanomami 13 year olds do you even know? let me guess. NONE Go look up research on how long adolescence has been extended in the past few hundred years - now in the past 20 they're saying it has extended into the 20s. Suppose that makes most of us rapists.
  - mistermann 12y ago
    I know plenty of 30+ year olds who aren't mature enough to make such a decision either. The age of 18 is just an arbitrary choice to plant a legal marker, because it's not practical to judge on a case by case basis. Not that I'm condoning the behavior in this case....I'd think the intent of age of consent laws would be to protect those not yet able to protect themself with their own judgement - it should be obvious in this case, especially considering his age at the time, that taking a ~13 year old "wife" and proceeding to have sex with her when you had no intent to move there permanently was an incredibly wrong thing to do, by any moral compass.
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majani 12y ago
" Any culture or individual that condones such behavior shouldn't exist anymore." You and a terrorist would have so much to talk about.

by phaus 12y ago

jafaku 12y ago

Yeah our culture is the best! Everyone else is wrong!

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phaus 12y ago
I don't really subscribe to the misinformed view that one has to be perfect in order to recognize a flaw. I criticize my own culture as much as any other, perhaps more.
askar_yu 12y ago
I don't think it's fair of you to imply what he did not imply. Despite all the 'cultural-sensitivity' and what not, there are some lines that have to be drawn and stated bluntly and unapologetically. In that respect, I could not have said it better than the parent comment, and 100% agree with below statement: " Any 36 year-old man, from any culture that has ever existed, that finds it acceptable to marry a 9-12 year old and then start raping her when she's 13 is a piece of shit. Any culture or individual that condones such behavior shouldn't exist anymore."
- hrabago 12y ago
  > from any culture that has ever existed Actually there are a lot of eras that had a very low life expectancy in early times [1]. Giving birth at an age earlier than what our society finds acceptable would have been normal, if not the responsible thing to do, for those eras. Otherwise the parents would be living an unprepared 5 year old alone in the world. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy

jackmaney 12y ago

I couldn't have said it any better, myself. Not all cultures are good. Quite a few of them are, in fact, terrible, and should no longer exist.

seanmcdirmid 12y ago
Should we really look back on the Roman Empire as just consisting of a bunch of child rapists?
- jackmaney 12y ago
  Yes. Next question, please.

facepalm 12y ago

Are you sure that is usually how the story plays out? I don't know, but I also don't trust the usual sources as they have their own agenda. Perhaps the percentage of rapists there is not higher than in the Western world? I also think it is very difficult to judge from a different culture. For example, what if the girls are being killed if they can't be married? (Again, I have no idea about the real workings of those cultures, but there are certainly cultures where girls get killed because parents can't afford them - not saying that that is a good state of things, but the question is who is to blame?).

phaus 12y ago
>For example, what if the girls are being killed if they can't be married? If this were the kind of culture that a person lived in, why not just marry them to save their lives and then not consummate the relationship? >Are you sure that is usually how the story plays out? In cultures that allow children to be married to adults, yes, this is usually how it plays out. Also, I realize there is a possibility that this particular story is fabricated. I just responded to the oft-repeated claim that we should try to be more understanding of pedophiles if and only if they are from a different culture. I can't imagine a circumstance where people should be forgiving to any 36 year-old man that has a sexual relationship with a 12-year old.
- facepalm 12y ago
  "why not just marry them to save their lives and then not consummate the relationship?" That's what I meant - perhaps it often works out that way, and only the rape cases are being reported to the western world for emotional effect. "I just responded to the oft-repeated claim that we should try to be more understanding of pedophiles if and only if they are from a different culture." I've never heard that kind of story, but I admit that I don't read a lot about pedophiles. But it seems normal that 12 year olds have sex. Perhaps criticizing the age difference has a lot of culture dependent aspects? For example the limit of 18 years to call somebody an adult seems somewhat arbitrary. In any case I don't think pedophilia can be attached to an age limit, only to body development?

fallinghawks 12y ago

> Any 36 year-old man ... that finds it acceptable to marry a 9-12 year old and then start raping her when she's 13 is a piece of shit I would assume she fully expected to have sex with her husband, 13 years old or not. To suggest this was rape, against her will, is a bit preposterous and an incorrect usage of the word. At the same time I find it reprehensible that a 36 year old American, whose culture says underage is below 18, would get involved with what we'd consider a child.

phaus 12y ago
>To suggest this was rape, against her will, is a bit preposterous and an incorrect usage of the word There are different kinds of rape. It doesn't really matter if a 13 year-old consents. How many 13 year-olds do you know that are mature enough to make such a decision?
- parasitius 12y ago
  Jesus unholy Christ, how many Yanomami 13 year olds do you even know? let me guess. NONE Go look up research on how long adolescence has been extended in the past few hundred years - now in the past 20 they're saying it has extended into the 20s. Suppose that makes most of us rapists.
- parasitius 12y ago
  Jesus unholy Christ, how many Yanomami 13 year olds do you even know? let me guess. NONE Go look up research on how long adolescence has been extended in the past few hundred years - now in the past 20 they're saying it has extended into the 20s. Suppose that makes most of us rapists.
- mistermann 12y ago
  I know plenty of 30+ year olds who aren't mature enough to make such a decision either. The age of 18 is just an arbitrary choice to plant a legal marker, because it's not practical to judge on a case by case basis. Not that I'm condoning the behavior in this case....I'd think the intent of age of consent laws would be to protect those not yet able to protect themself with their own judgement - it should be obvious in this case, especially considering his age at the time, that taking a ~13 year old "wife" and proceeding to have sex with her when you had no intent to move there permanently was an incredibly wrong thing to do, by any moral compass.

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majani 12y ago

" Any culture or individual that condones such behavior shouldn't exist anymore." You and a terrorist would have so much to talk about.