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Yikes. Something about the privilege of the auto-technocrati as expressed in this zeitgeist video gives me the willies. That drone means more starving people

Yikes. Something about the privilege of the auto-technocrati as expressed in this zeitgeist video gives me the willies. That drone means more starving people (because its one less human job to do). But one less hungry person, because .. pizza! Cognitive overload, must shut down ..

jiaweihli 12y ago
This is going to come off as abrasive (out of context it sounds pretty bad), but: I've never understood why progress should be sacrificed because 'someone loses a job.' Idealistically, this indicates a problem with society - that people have to keep toiling away at automatable jobs for the sake of earning enough to live on. Practically, this is going to happen at some point sooner or later once it becomes commercially profitable to do so and enough players are in the market. Some of the greatest inventions have come out of the most meaningless original intentions. To play devil's advocate, maybe using drones for food delivery could eventually lead to finer-grained drone control - surgeries might very well be drone-assisted in the future!
- mpclark 12y ago
  Not trying to be flippant, honestly, but you'll understand when it's you that loses the job. Also, the folks who lose their jobs inevitably feel that the automated/offshored/whatever replacement for their artisanal skills and loving care just doesn't deliver as good an end result, and so it's one more sign of the world going to hell in a handcart as everything races to the bottom.
runj__ 12y ago
That drone means more drone manufactures, more efficient traffic, less co2, more free time and more artists. Although, in this case: it probably means one more RC-drone controller and not much else.
ethana 12y ago
Oh noes, robots are stealing our jobs. I wonder how did we ever gotten off from hand picked cottons, horse-n-buggy, and all that time-consuming manual labor of olds. How did a luddite ended up on a tech forum anyway? Did someone fixed the irony device? He could've at least waited to read this news from the good old newspaper to support his local economy.
icebraining 12y ago
I find it appalling that you're using the Internet to transmit your message. Have you no thought for the poor mail delivery people?
frabcus 12y ago
The best guess answer to that is making it so everyone doesn't have to work unless they want to via a citizen's income http://www.citizensincome.org/ http://www.citizensincome.org/
- icebraining 12y ago
  I don't understand why did they rename the concept of basic income to "citizen's", aren't they shooting themselves in the foot by confusing people?
  - corprew 12y ago
    Many objections to ideas around social benefits are not around the practicality of it, but whether non-citizens could 'unjustly' get it. It makes sense from a branding point of view, at least in the American & Western European political milieu.

jiaweihli 12y ago

This is going to come off as abrasive (out of context it sounds pretty bad), but: I've never understood why progress should be sacrificed because 'someone loses a job.' Idealistically, this indicates a problem with society - that people have to keep toiling away at automatable jobs for the sake of earning enough to live on. Practically, this is going to happen at some point sooner or later once it becomes commercially profitable to do so and enough players are in the market. Some of the greatest inventions have come out of the most meaningless original intentions. To play devil's advocate, maybe using drones for food delivery could eventually lead to finer-grained drone control - surgeries might very well be drone-assisted in the future!

mpclark 12y ago
Not trying to be flippant, honestly, but you'll understand when it's you that loses the job. Also, the folks who lose their jobs inevitably feel that the automated/offshored/whatever replacement for their artisanal skills and loving care just doesn't deliver as good an end result, and so it's one more sign of the world going to hell in a handcart as everything races to the bottom.

runj__ 12y ago

That drone means more drone manufactures, more efficient traffic, less co2, more free time and more artists. Although, in this case: it probably means one more RC-drone controller and not much else.

ethana 12y ago

Oh noes, robots are stealing our jobs. I wonder how did we ever gotten off from hand picked cottons, horse-n-buggy, and all that time-consuming manual labor of olds. How did a luddite ended up on a tech forum anyway? Did someone fixed the irony device? He could've at least waited to read this news from the good old newspaper to support his local economy.

icebraining 12y ago

I find it appalling that you're using the Internet to transmit your message. Have you no thought for the poor mail delivery people?

frabcus 12y ago

The best guess answer to that is making it so everyone doesn't have to work unless they want to via a citizen's income http://www.citizensincome.org/ http://www.citizensincome.org/

icebraining 12y ago
I don't understand why did they rename the concept of basic income to "citizen's", aren't they shooting themselves in the foot by confusing people?
- corprew 12y ago
  Many objections to ideas around social benefits are not around the practicality of it, but whether non-citizens could 'unjustly' get it. It makes sense from a branding point of view, at least in the American & Western European political milieu.