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> it seems a bit too attractive to the webporn crowd Why is this a bad thing? Two adults participating in a consensual tranasction

by mason55 12y ago

zacinbusiness 12y ago
Exactly! I could have more easily paid my way through college :-)
droopyEyelids 12y ago
Because people are more likely to do things the easier they are, and sex stuff is one of the few ways it's easy for young people to make money. Due to a confluence of perverse incentives across many facets of life, this becomes part of a sales funnel that recruits young people to the sex industry.
- genericuser 12y ago
  Because you believe the sex industry itself is bad? Or because specific companies and members of the sex industry are bad, and you are generalizing?
  - droopyEyelids 12y ago
    In many cases sex work is not a physically or emotionally healthy way to support yourself. In every case it is a limited career that does not scale with age, while inculcating habits and attitudes that make traditional employment or switching industries difficult.
    - heed 12y ago
      Yeah, we wouldn't want consenting adults to make their own choices.
      - jordigh 12y ago
        We don't want to put people in a place where the only choices available to them are shitty ones. We want a world in which everyone can make a choice they truly want and would still take even when all circumstances in their life are optimal. Powerful, happy, balanced, rich people do not tend to work in the sex trade. Can you imagine Condolezza Rice or Hillary Clinton or Marissa Mayer deciding that porn or prostitution is what they really wanted to do all along but just could never find the time for?
        hnnewguy 12y ago
        >Can you imagine Condolezza Rice or Hillary Clinton You say this like these people are shining examples of people doing good for mankind. They're run-of-the-mill politicians. I couldn't care less about their porn or political careers. I'm sure the void would have been filled by someone.
        jordigh 12y ago
        I didn't say they ought to be admired or not. I said they were powerful. (And why did you neglect Marissa Mayer?) Powerful people do not typically choose porn or prostitution.
    - yogo 12y ago
      Couldn't you say the same thing about many jobs out there that are legitimate?
      - jordigh 12y ago
        Yes, but they come up less frequently in discussions because they're less prevalent. Anyone can have sex, but fewer people can do something like being a wrestler, which also tends to be a crappy job except for a few superstars. Even those superstars can't do the job for very long before physical or emotional breakdown settles in. Sex "work" is a "job" where the less experienced you are, the more "employers" will want you. What other job prefers inexperienced people? Only exploitative ones do.
    - DenisM 12y ago
      >In many cases sex work is not a physically or emotionally healthy way to support yourself. It's a popular opinion, but is it also true? For example sex professions aren't regarded specially in Germany or Sweden, do you think those people are damaging themselves more than any of the more "legitimate" professions?
  - JasonFruit 12y ago
    Sure, I'll go out on a limb and say there's a moral problem with the sex industry — in fact, the combination of the terms sex and industry strikes me as not only wrong but very sad. I didn't think disapproval of the sex industry was so obviously incorrect that we had to shame people for it, but some of the side-threads here seem to be heading that direction.
    - girvo 12y ago
      A lot of people disagree with your opinion, myself included. Morals aren't absolute, obviously, and they differ between people, but the shaming is usually directed at those who work in the sex industry from those who are morally opposed to it. I definitely agree that shaming from either side is wrong, though.
- jordigh 12y ago
  God, awesome. I am so tired of hearing in techy circles how everything about porn and prostitution is an awesome thing. Thanks for counterbalancing against all the dudebros who think everything about selling oneself for sex is great. (I'm pretty sure this is gonna attract a lot of downvotes, but I just wanted to get this off my chest.)
  - mseebach 12y ago
    It has nothing to do with porn and/or prostitution being 'awesome' and everything to do with it not being any of your damn business what consenting adults get up to, whether or not it's 'easy'. Also; down votes are for not contributing to the conversation. You're not arguing for your position, you're just thanking someone else for appearing to share it. Also, yay bitcoin, because you.
    - jordigh 12y ago
      > It has nothing to do with porn and/or prostitution being 'awesome' and everything to do with it not being any of your damn business what consenting adults get up to, whether or not it's 'easy'. This whole consent argument is totally flawed and is an attempt to ignore the question about whether the participants in porn and prostitution are being harmed or not. The people working in sweat shops in China are also "consenting" to do that, but we shouldn't be promoting any efforts that put more people in sweat shops. Whether or not being in porn or prostitution are comparable to being a sweat shop worker is a different matter and a different debate, but it's a debate that should be had and not be dismissed with the consent argument.
      - mseebach 12y ago
        > The people working in sweat shops in China are also "consenting" to do that Damn right they are. Stop idyllising the abject poverty of subsistence farming. http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/24/magazine/two-cheers-for-sweatshops.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/24/magazine/two-cheers-for-sw...

> it seems a bit too attractive to the webporn crowd Why is this a bad thing? Two adults participating in a consensual tranasction

by mason55 12y ago

> it seems a bit too attractive to the webporn crowd Why is this a bad thing? Two adults participating in a consensual tranasction

zacinbusiness 12y ago

Exactly! I could have more easily paid my way through college :-)

droopyEyelids 12y ago

Because people are more likely to do things the easier they are, and sex stuff is one of the few ways it's easy for young people to make money. Due to a confluence of perverse incentives across many facets of life, this becomes part of a sales funnel that recruits young people to the sex industry.

genericuser 12y ago
Because you believe the sex industry itself is bad? Or because specific companies and members of the sex industry are bad, and you are generalizing?
- droopyEyelids 12y ago
  In many cases sex work is not a physically or emotionally healthy way to support yourself. In every case it is a limited career that does not scale with age, while inculcating habits and attitudes that make traditional employment or switching industries difficult.
  - heed 12y ago
    Yeah, we wouldn't want consenting adults to make their own choices.
    - jordigh 12y ago
      We don't want to put people in a place where the only choices available to them are shitty ones. We want a world in which everyone can make a choice they truly want and would still take even when all circumstances in their life are optimal. Powerful, happy, balanced, rich people do not tend to work in the sex trade. Can you imagine Condolezza Rice or Hillary Clinton or Marissa Mayer deciding that porn or prostitution is what they really wanted to do all along but just could never find the time for?
      - hnnewguy 12y ago
        >Can you imagine Condolezza Rice or Hillary Clinton You say this like these people are shining examples of people doing good for mankind. They're run-of-the-mill politicians. I couldn't care less about their porn or political careers. I'm sure the void would have been filled by someone.
        jordigh 12y ago
        I didn't say they ought to be admired or not. I said they were powerful. (And why did you neglect Marissa Mayer?) Powerful people do not typically choose porn or prostitution.
  - yogo 12y ago
    Couldn't you say the same thing about many jobs out there that are legitimate?
    - jordigh 12y ago
      Yes, but they come up less frequently in discussions because they're less prevalent. Anyone can have sex, but fewer people can do something like being a wrestler, which also tends to be a crappy job except for a few superstars. Even those superstars can't do the job for very long before physical or emotional breakdown settles in. Sex "work" is a "job" where the less experienced you are, the more "employers" will want you. What other job prefers inexperienced people? Only exploitative ones do.
  - DenisM 12y ago
    >In many cases sex work is not a physically or emotionally healthy way to support yourself. It's a popular opinion, but is it also true? For example sex professions aren't regarded specially in Germany or Sweden, do you think those people are damaging themselves more than any of the more "legitimate" professions?
- JasonFruit 12y ago
  Sure, I'll go out on a limb and say there's a moral problem with the sex industry — in fact, the combination of the terms sex and industry strikes me as not only wrong but very sad. I didn't think disapproval of the sex industry was so obviously incorrect that we had to shame people for it, but some of the side-threads here seem to be heading that direction.
  - girvo 12y ago
    A lot of people disagree with your opinion, myself included. Morals aren't absolute, obviously, and they differ between people, but the shaming is usually directed at those who work in the sex industry from those who are morally opposed to it. I definitely agree that shaming from either side is wrong, though.
jordigh 12y ago
God, awesome. I am so tired of hearing in techy circles how everything about porn and prostitution is an awesome thing. Thanks for counterbalancing against all the dudebros who think everything about selling oneself for sex is great. (I'm pretty sure this is gonna attract a lot of downvotes, but I just wanted to get this off my chest.)
- mseebach 12y ago
  It has nothing to do with porn and/or prostitution being 'awesome' and everything to do with it not being any of your damn business what consenting adults get up to, whether or not it's 'easy'. Also; down votes are for not contributing to the conversation. You're not arguing for your position, you're just thanking someone else for appearing to share it. Also, yay bitcoin, because you.
  - jordigh 12y ago
    > It has nothing to do with porn and/or prostitution being 'awesome' and everything to do with it not being any of your damn business what consenting adults get up to, whether or not it's 'easy'. This whole consent argument is totally flawed and is an attempt to ignore the question about whether the participants in porn and prostitution are being harmed or not. The people working in sweat shops in China are also "consenting" to do that, but we shouldn't be promoting any efforts that put more people in sweat shops. Whether or not being in porn or prostitution are comparable to being a sweat shop worker is a different matter and a different debate, but it's a debate that should be had and not be dismissed with the consent argument.
    - mseebach 12y ago
      > The people working in sweat shops in China are also "consenting" to do that Damn right they are. Stop idyllising the abject poverty of subsistence farming. http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/24/magazine/two-cheers-for-sweatshops.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/24/magazine/two-cheers-for-sw...