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How about just ignore the websites that implement DRM and let the free market decide if those websites will survive? People treat DRM as if it was going to tur

How about just ignore the websites that implement DRM and let the free market decide if those websites will survive? People treat DRM as if it was going to turn us into North Korea when it comes to internet access.

svisser 12y ago
Yes, let's ignore the problem and it'll go away?
- EduardoBautista 12y ago
  Netflix has been using DRM for years, does it really make it worse?
  - viraptor 12y ago
    Do you have a native and supported way to watch Netflix on Linux? No. So it does make the experience worse (it's one of the biggest missing components, not implying the only one).
    - CamperBob2 12y ago
      How is this question symptomatic of anything but a tool fetish? Watch the movies, not the OS.
      - wolfgke 12y ago
        Give me the specs of the DRM system so that I can implement a tool for my OS to be able to watch the movies.
        CamperBob2 12y ago
        No. Any other demands, while you're at it?
    - woah 12y ago
      You might want to try popcorn time. I have found the UI to actually exceed Netflix's while giving me pure piracy unencumbered by any DRM. I just read that they have added TV shows to the new version. If the content industry is going to keep doing this shit, they don't deserve our money. Don't worry about the artists, if these are the people they have chosen to sign their lives away to.
  - wolfgke 12y ago
    That's one of the reasons I'm not using Netflix (and I'm not buying Blurays). Additionally both don't work under Linux.
stormbrew 12y ago
If you could make the choice of what content to watch and what to watch it with independently, this could be said to be a free market decision. As is, my decision to support or not support DRM dictates the content I can watch. That for most people the content is more important gives the false signal that people are choosing DRM (which, in reality, pretty much nobody would). That's not a functional free market. There is no market for non-DRMed content that's on an even footing with the market for DRMed content.
- rayiner 12y ago
  I feel like this is a rationalization. The fact that a market is free doesn't mean that producers can't sell on the terms they want. There is DRM-free content, just not the content you want. Content creators choose to use DRM because very few users object to it, and I bet with modern DRM most don't even know it exists. That's a perfectly functional free market. Its like saying that there isn't a functional free market for social networks because you want a subscription-supported site while Facebook, etc, are ad supported. The fact that a seller won't sell on the terms I want doesn't mean its not a free market.
  - CamperBob2 12y ago
    Agreed. People whining about the loss of a "free market" are, in reality, whining about their loss of control over the producers' options. It doesn't make a bit of sense. In fact, one indication of a "free market" at work is when they're selling things you don't like.
  - wolfgke 12y ago
    > The fact that a market is free doesn't mean that producers can't sell on the terms they want. Copyright laws stand in the way of a free market. If there was a free market anybody could make a copy of some content and sell it (perhaps they would have to pay parts of the profit to the original owners, but nevertheless anybody would basically allowed to sell what they want: that's what a free market is about).
    - 12y ago
higherpurpose 12y ago
Unfortunately, the only "free market" for non-DRM movies/shows is piracy.

svisser 12y ago

Yes, let's ignore the problem and it'll go away?

EduardoBautista 12y ago
Netflix has been using DRM for years, does it really make it worse?
- viraptor 12y ago
  Do you have a native and supported way to watch Netflix on Linux? No. So it does make the experience worse (it's one of the biggest missing components, not implying the only one).
  - CamperBob2 12y ago
    How is this question symptomatic of anything but a tool fetish? Watch the movies, not the OS.
    - wolfgke 12y ago
      Give me the specs of the DRM system so that I can implement a tool for my OS to be able to watch the movies.
      - CamperBob2 12y ago
        No. Any other demands, while you're at it?
  - woah 12y ago
    You might want to try popcorn time. I have found the UI to actually exceed Netflix's while giving me pure piracy unencumbered by any DRM. I just read that they have added TV shows to the new version. If the content industry is going to keep doing this shit, they don't deserve our money. Don't worry about the artists, if these are the people they have chosen to sign their lives away to.
- wolfgke 12y ago
  That's one of the reasons I'm not using Netflix (and I'm not buying Blurays). Additionally both don't work under Linux.

stormbrew 12y ago

If you could make the choice of what content to watch and what to watch it with independently, this could be said to be a free market decision. As is, my decision to support or not support DRM dictates the content I can watch. That for most people the content is more important gives the false signal that people are choosing DRM (which, in reality, pretty much nobody would). That's not a functional free market. There is no market for non-DRMed content that's on an even footing with the market for DRMed content.

rayiner 12y ago
I feel like this is a rationalization. The fact that a market is free doesn't mean that producers can't sell on the terms they want. There is DRM-free content, just not the content you want. Content creators choose to use DRM because very few users object to it, and I bet with modern DRM most don't even know it exists. That's a perfectly functional free market. Its like saying that there isn't a functional free market for social networks because you want a subscription-supported site while Facebook, etc, are ad supported. The fact that a seller won't sell on the terms I want doesn't mean its not a free market.
- CamperBob2 12y ago
  Agreed. People whining about the loss of a "free market" are, in reality, whining about their loss of control over the producers' options. It doesn't make a bit of sense. In fact, one indication of a "free market" at work is when they're selling things you don't like.
- wolfgke 12y ago
  > The fact that a market is free doesn't mean that producers can't sell on the terms they want. Copyright laws stand in the way of a free market. If there was a free market anybody could make a copy of some content and sell it (perhaps they would have to pay parts of the profit to the original owners, but nevertheless anybody would basically allowed to sell what they want: that's what a free market is about).
  - 12y ago

higherpurpose 12y ago

Unfortunately, the only "free market" for non-DRM movies/shows is piracy.