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> The NYT is a joke. While I absolutely wish the NYT were more forthcoming with its reporting on these issues (such as the example you pointed out), the NYT is
by chimeracoder 12y ago
> The NYT is a joke.
While I absolutely wish the NYT were more forthcoming with its reporting on these issues (such as the example you pointed out), the NYT is by far the best "mainstream"[0] news source around.
Let's also not forget that the New York Times did stand up for the first amendment in one extremely important whistleblower case resulting in a Supreme Court decision that is highly relevant to the Snowden leaks[1].
This review was painful to read, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater ("The NYT is a joke"). The NYT reports on a number of these issues with higher-quality reporting than most publications. As with any reporting and editorial team as large as the NYT, we can point to both cases in which they have done their job well and case in which they have not. But I wouldn't say that the NYT is "a joke" - I'd reserve that judgment for publications that truly add net-zero or net-negative value[2], not a publication whose history is "mixed, but still better than almost anything else out there".
It's also worth noting that the NYT has less leeway with editing the content of editorials and reviews (such as this one), and for good reason - as a policy, it limits the extent to which editors can censor writers (or makes it more difficult for them to do so).
Yes, it's certainly possible - policies are, after all, just policies. In the era in which a company can be served an NSL, I think we can all agree that nothing is impossible, for any company[3].
[0] ie, not single-issue journalism, or publications run explicitly by advocacy groups
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_papers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_papers
[2] Fox "news" would be the obvious whipping boy here.
[3] Put another way, I can totally understand if you're concerned about the government having undue influence on the NYT's reporting (either directly or indirectly). But for that, no publication with a reach as large as the NYT can be immune to that. That's certainly a sad statement about the state of our government, but it's not a statement about the NYT specifically.
- cryoshon 12y agoLet's also not forget that the NYT was at the forefront of banging the drum to lead us into the Iraq war, not to mention it's perpetual hawkishness on Iran.
- jstalin 12y agoI don't think that we can infer anything about the modern NYT from their involvement in the pentagon papers. For god's sake, they still have a hard time calling Bush out for torture and instead stick to the use of "harsh interrogation." The NYT thrives on being part of the political establishment. http://www.salon.com/2011/03/09/journalism_11/ http://www.salon.com/2011/03/09/journalism_11/
- eli 12y agoFWIW, Salon.com these days survives on manufactured outrage and stories built for Facebook shares. You can do a whole lot worse than the NYT.
- atmosx 12y agoI think that depends on the topic and the journalist (how much pressure he received, how does he respond to such pressures). That I like the 'New Yorker' better when it comes to quality, although I reckon that are not comparable magazines. Generally speaking I'm very picky, but I read NYT articles as well. Of course, I'd never pay for a subscription...