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*They're successful because the end consumers believe the marketing propagation that they are the best.

by uvTwitch 12y ago

seanmcdirmid 12y ago
And yet, Apple has a very low marketing budget with respect to their competitors...
- batiudrami 12y ago
  Is this actually true? I've heard Galaxy marketing is fairly saturated in the US, but in Australia I see at least twice as many Apple commercials than any competing OEM.
  - seanmcdirmid 12y ago
    This is quite well known, just a quick google will do: http://www.tuaw.com/2013/11/04/apples-advertising-budget-dwarfed-by-microsoft-and-samsung/ http://www.tuaw.com/2013/11/04/apples-advertising-budget-dwa... I think Apple recently doubling their marketing budget to $1b was taken with great fanfare, but still puts them far behind their competitors. However, it is an open question whether Apple stores should be counted as marketing or some other kind of expense. It definitely helps promote their products, but the direct channel also helps with profits.
- uvTwitch 12y ago
  Are you also saying, like I was, that apple are Good At Marketing?
  - seanmcdirmid 12y ago
    Well, they don't put a lot of resources into it, but they direct their resources very well. Their biggest marketing boon has been curating a really good reputation (not releasing products that suck), building a rabid fan base, and so on.
    - uvTwitch 12y ago
      Right, and because they don't suck, most consumers never investigate their claims of being the best by researching alternatives, and simply settle with products that don't suck.
      - seanmcdirmid 12y ago
        Did Apple ever claim to be the "best"? Of course, superlatives without qualification are legally vacuous in the English speak world, but I would be surprised if they actually used this in an ad without qualification, where qualification is something like "the best battery life as determined by ..."
        uvTwitch 12y ago
        https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+superlatives https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+superlatives
        seanmcdirmid 12y ago
        Nothing from Apple.
        uvTwitch 12y ago
        Sure, if you ignore things like - as just one example of the plethora of marketing statements propagated by their senior staff - apple routinely referring to OSX as the "most advanced operating system" simply because it doesn't use the word 'best' (and even then ignore several statements which do use the exact word because their phrasing or origin disagree with your bias), which would be missing the whole point for the minutiae.
        seanmcdirmid 12y ago
        I see. You know, when you make an argument, you should (a) present the exact phrase said, and provide a link to where it was said. It is obvious with the right search term ("most advanced" site:apple.com), but not with the one you gave me previously. Just spell it out.

*They're successful because the end consumers believe the marketing propagation that they are the best.

seanmcdirmid 12y ago

And yet, Apple has a very low marketing budget with respect to their competitors...

batiudrami 12y ago
Is this actually true? I've heard Galaxy marketing is fairly saturated in the US, but in Australia I see at least twice as many Apple commercials than any competing OEM.
- seanmcdirmid 12y ago
  This is quite well known, just a quick google will do: http://www.tuaw.com/2013/11/04/apples-advertising-budget-dwarfed-by-microsoft-and-samsung/ http://www.tuaw.com/2013/11/04/apples-advertising-budget-dwa... I think Apple recently doubling their marketing budget to $1b was taken with great fanfare, but still puts them far behind their competitors. However, it is an open question whether Apple stores should be counted as marketing or some other kind of expense. It definitely helps promote their products, but the direct channel also helps with profits.
uvTwitch 12y ago
Are you also saying, like I was, that apple are Good At Marketing?
- seanmcdirmid 12y ago
  Well, they don't put a lot of resources into it, but they direct their resources very well. Their biggest marketing boon has been curating a really good reputation (not releasing products that suck), building a rabid fan base, and so on.
  - uvTwitch 12y ago
    Right, and because they don't suck, most consumers never investigate their claims of being the best by researching alternatives, and simply settle with products that don't suck.
    - seanmcdirmid 12y ago
      Did Apple ever claim to be the "best"? Of course, superlatives without qualification are legally vacuous in the English speak world, but I would be surprised if they actually used this in an ad without qualification, where qualification is something like "the best battery life as determined by ..."
      - uvTwitch 12y ago
        https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+superlatives https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+superlatives
        seanmcdirmid 12y ago
        Nothing from Apple.
        uvTwitch 12y ago
        Sure, if you ignore things like - as just one example of the plethora of marketing statements propagated by their senior staff - apple routinely referring to OSX as the "most advanced operating system" simply because it doesn't use the word 'best' (and even then ignore several statements which do use the exact word because their phrasing or origin disagree with your bias), which would be missing the whole point for the minutiae.
        seanmcdirmid 12y ago
        I see. You know, when you make an argument, you should (a) present the exact phrase said, and provide a link to where it was said. It is obvious with the right search term ("most advanced" site:apple.com), but not with the one you gave me previously. Just spell it out.