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Minecraft Griefers Demolish 1:1 scale model of Denmark
- nutjob2 12y agoThey didn't create a backup? Seriously?
- lholden 12y agoSad to say... but this is why you make backups. Things like this happen to minecraft servers all the time. :/
- jacquesm 12y agoBack ups are good to guard against all kinds of mishaps. Still, to see something like this intentionally destroyed is really bad. It's akin to the people that would post google docs documents here for community collaboration and within seconds griefers would go there to trash them. I always wonder what kind of mindset it takes to show that you are capable of destroying something just for the heck of it. So your 'kinda had it coming' to me is akin to blaming the victim, you create something you can expect that there will be people hell bent on destroying it and that's somehow 'normal'. It isn't normal.
- lholden 12y agoOh I certainly think it's pretty screwed up that someone would do this, and entirely blame the people who did it. Having said that... these kinds of things happen in to minecraft servers all the time. I certainly do not think they deserved it... but if you don't back up something important to you... you can expect to eventually lose it.
- peddamat 12y agoIt's interesting that, in this context, blame the victim isn't offensive.
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- arb99 12y agoSurely whatever program they used to create it could just be run again. It used data from maps etc so it must be able to run the same input again. Although if its >1tb of data thats gonna take a while...
- Svip 12y agoThe creator points out they only initially intend to restore Copenhagen. As the data they have are stored in 10×10 km blocks, this should be fairly trivial to do. I think the real reason they have been hesitant with doing that is because it was supposed to be used for creation purposes, that were at least educational.
- yread 12y ago> Typically, server mods can take certain precautions to ensure that their particular areas of their Minecraft "worlds" can't be altered, but that would have destroyed the point of the creation. The original concept was meant to be educational. I think they don't want to drop it and recreate it because somebody might have used it in the way it was intended to
- t-3-k 12y agoSurely there is a backup. You can actually download the original world but it is about 1TB. I think it would probably happen again if they restore the original version. Here is a comment from danish GeoData Agency spokesman: "We consider that as a nature of playing Minecraft – elements are broken down and new are being created. Therefore we will not reboot the demonstration of Denmark in Minecraft. But occasionally we will rebuild minor areas if buildings are removed and nothing new is being created."
- FatalLogic 12y agoThe backup is Denmark. They only have one copy, but the medium is extremely resilient.
- gotofritz 12y agoYou say "resilient", but all it'll take is for the sea levels to raise a couple of meters to wipe it out
- mseebach 12y agoNope, it will still be there, just wetter.
- dingdingdang 12y agoLOL, you win at commenting today!
- tonylemesmer 12y agoAs soon as you recreate it what happens? Another wave of destruction probably. edit: typo
- Moulde 12y agoHahaha, I'm sorry but that is a bit amuzing. I mean, what did they expect? Kind of thought that would happen when i read the Rules for being on the server.
- Hermel 12y agoSmall countries like Denmark tend to have a much more well-behaved population than large countries. I.e. they queue nicer, they are more likely to return something they found, etc. (game-theoretic research suggests that such a culture is a symptom of having a high likelyhood of meeting again - thus offering more opportunities to punish bad behaviour). That background might explain their optimistic expectations.
- bananas 12y agoPossibly right but unfortunately anonymity turns people into total dicks regardless of nationality.
- SixSigma 12y agoNonsense. This would have happened even if photocopies of their passports were attached with every edit.
- ersii 12y agoExcuse me, but what is this based on? Do you perhaps mean small communities? Because I can tell you from my experience being Swedish in Sweden (~9M inhabitants), that your assumption seems to be false.
- Zirro 12y agoI'm Swedish too, and I disagree. I have often heard that Americans (and others) are surprised at the willingness of most Scandinavians to follow the official and unofficial rules of society. We are likely blind to it as we experience it every day.
- JetSpiegel 12y ago> Moving forward, the map will have to be rebuilt. Said Hammeken, "We don't have a complete overview yet, but we'll probably choose to reconstruct Copenhagen and the other cities." By this wording, it seems they will rebuild it by hand instead of restoring a backup. They have backups, right?
- dalore 12y agoI picture Denmark hiring a bunch of minecrafters to go in and manually rebuild Copenhagen block by block.
- JetSpiegel 12y agoAnd suddently they hear a SHHHHHHHHHHH...
- bananas 12y agoProving that my previously down voted to hell comment about this being a waste of money was correct...
- andyjohnson0 12y agoSlightly OT, but the UK national mapping agency has created a minecraft model of the UK [1] (minus Northern Ireland). [1] http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/innovate/developers/minecraft-map-britain.html http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/innovate/developers/minecraf...
- Angostura 12y agoI got the impression that the Danish model contained actual buildings and features, whereas the OS map of Britain contains just the geographical features.
- Svip 12y agoThe UK map is 1:50, so it cannot really contain buildings. The Danish map is 1:1.
- gadders 12y agoOherwise known as "Great Britain". /pedant
- ColinWright 12y agoFor those who aren't quite clear about this comment, here's an Euler diagram to help explain: http://www.simontaylorsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/2000px-British_Isles_Euler_diagram_15-300x243.png http://www.simontaylorsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/2...
- andyjohnson0 12y agoI know. I'm British... I used that form of words because, for most readers, the term "Great Britain" isn't well defined, and is often incorrectly taken to denote the same entity as the "The UK". I also don't like the "Great" prefix because it appears aggrandising, even though the derivation [1] disproves that. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain#Derivation_of_.22Great.22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain#Derivation_of_.22...
- Trezoid 12y agoThings like this always bring to light a particular side of the internet population that is fascinating to watch but very frustrating to participate in an activity "against". These people immediately take an incredibly negative approach for their own short term enjoyment without any apparent thought of the longer term effect of their actions, and what people will do to counter that style of behavior generally making things worse for everyone, both grierfers and legitimate players. I'd be curious to know what kind of "motive" for want of a better word underlies these kinds of actions, and why this destructive "fun" is so popular on these "infinite freedom" style games in particular.
- vvvv 12y agoHave you never seen kids destroy each other's sand/Lego castles? Motives: curiousity, impulse, social exploration etc.
- bignaj 12y agoIn short, "this is why we can't have nice things."
- paulrov 12y agoIn short, "No fun allowed."
- ColinWright 12y agoThis story was submitted[0] four days ago, but got no traction and sank without trace. The only comment[1] was mine, and I repeat it here: I know this is something of an internet meme, and hence somewhat out-of-place here on HN, but, in short: This is why we can't have nice things. It would be really cool if we didn't need passwords. It would be really cool if we could have globally editable documents that stored and connected all our knowledge. It would be really cool if we ... well, you get the idea. What if clever people, really clever people, stepped up and started to think at a level higher than the single point fixes and managed some sort of meta-fix. How clever can people be? Anyone care to speculate? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7687378 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7687378 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7687637 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7687637 Edited to correct tpyos.
- bignaj 12y agoCompletely independent of your post, I thought and posted the exact same thing :) see below.
- hyp0 12y agoWell... wikipedia. The essential idea is revertability.
- roasty 12y agoWhy complain about people being creative in a creative environment? Is there no place for fun?
- TeMPOraL 12y agoExactly. This complaint cuts both ways. I often expressed a very similar sentiment but in defense of the "perpetrators". Remember all that kids who get expelled/prosecuted for playing around their school/university network and pissing off their lazy/clueless sysadmin? All that science stuff you could do then but you can't do now because terrorism (or because helicopter parenting)? Where's the place for creative pranks? Practical jokes? In today's society, exploring, poking around, doing things for laugh seems... forbidden.
- aaron695 12y agoThis was never educational in so much as it's just a game. Kinda bored with people just making up pedagogy cause. What's more boring and uneducational than a recreation of your country with a bunch of blocks. The attempts of the article to make it educational and fun for students are laughable. What's fun, interesting and educational is messing around with it and seeing possibilities. Personally I doubt anyone would have even visited if this hadn't happened. This kinda made it interesting and put it on the map so to speak. And possibly this is exactly what the makers wanted, toss it out there, see what happens and go with it.
- noonespecial 12y agoThere are children who make sandcastles and children who knock them down. It happens so early, you'd swear they were born that way. I just imagine the latter are getting started early on their political careers.
- VeejayRampay 12y agoI see a child as a blank page. You can turn that into poetry or into Mein Kampf depending on the amount of love/nurturing/open-mindedness. Now if you'll excuse me, those trees ain't gonna hug themselves.
- JetSpiegel 12y ago> Tabula Rasa Using Latin is much cooler, and as bonus, you can smugly snigger at other people. How do you really spell the "rasa" part? With a hard R?