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OS X's full screen apps aren't maximzed windows. If I put Sublime into full screen mode, there's no window, no menu bar. It's a text editor taking up the entire

OS X's full screen apps aren't maximzed windows. If I put Sublime into full screen mode, there's no window, no menu bar. It's a text editor taking up the entire screen. If I were to maximize Sublime on Windows, Linux, or OS X (green button), you still have the chrome from the windowing system and the OS's menu bars. Also, the parent comment makes no claim Apple invented anything, he/she is just drawing a comparison people would be familiar with. Frankly, it's more than a little annoying to me that you have to distract from the topic to make completely non-constructive dig at a company you seem to dislike and completely miss the point of the comparison in doing so.

danford 12y ago
>If I were to maximize Sublime on [...] Linux. I don't use sublime, but on Linux (Ubuntu GNOME) when you full screen an app the window decorations are hidden and so are the status/window menus. Edit: before you downvote, please explain why??
- epochwolf 12y ago
  You're being downvoted because you are incorrect. Ubuntu GNOME does not have an equivalent of OS X full screen build in to the windowing system. It has a maximize button that doesn't remove the chrome, it just makes the window take up the most of the screen. In OS X, there is no window. The app is completely edge to edge similar like an iOS app except without the status bar. Edit: Ubuntu "Fullscreen": http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EnulBlkjTEM/Tzo7Fo3l3uI/AAAAAAAAHwI/N8Fxykdp3uw/s1600/locally-integrated-menu-maxmized.png http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EnulBlkjTEM/Tzo7Fo3l3uI/AAAAAAAAHw... OS X Fullscreen: http://www3.pcmag.com/media/images/237835-iphoto-11-albums-in-full-screen.jpg http://www3.pcmag.com/media/images/237835-iphoto-11-albums-i...
  - danford 12y ago
    But that's not full screen though. That's maximize, you are incorrect. http://i.imgur.com/lO0g7oS.gif http://i.imgur.com/lO0g7oS.gif
    - epochwolf 12y ago
      Interesting. I've never seen this before and the only references I've been able to find on it in a quick search was a compiz setting in 12.04. Is this built in to the stock ubuntu releases? If so, what version?
      - danford 12y ago
        This is Ubuntu Gnome. I'm currently Using Ubuntu 14.04 with Gnome 3.10, but afaik it works on Ubuntu 13.x and GNOME 3.x. Not sure about the Unity interface as I have limited experience with it.
      - pbhjpbhj 12y ago
        FWIW that F11 transition works the same for me on KDE (4.12.3) on Kubuntu 13.10 - it's been there for quite a time. I'm using Firefox with the borders set off right now. This gives me a window with no external chrome (no border, no titlebar, no buttons, no scroll area) but set with the standard KDE application bar (which I keep at the bottom a la Win95). Indeed before Firefox ditched the menubar I used an app to get the same effect pinching a lot of real-estate back (titlebar, menubar, buttonbar). It's interesting that things have moved this way, though not surprising.
      - mcintyre1994 12y ago
        Chrome on Elementary OS (Probably consider this Ubuntu 12.04 for this purpose) does a completely chromeless fullscreen on F11 too. Out of interest does OS X support fullscreen on all apps automatically or does the button (it's a window control right?) only show up for supported apps?
        epochwolf 12y ago
        https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/General/Conceptual/MOSXAppProgrammingGuide/FullScreenApp/FullScreenApp.html https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Genera...
      - voyou 12y ago
        Fullscreen mode has been a standard feature of Linux window managers for a long time - it was certainly available in the metacity WM (used by Gnome 2) 10 years ago.
DatBear 12y ago
There was little need to reference Apple though, as Firefox can do the exact same thing by pressing F11 (on Windows).
- epochwolf 12y ago
  I disagree. The reference why Apple added Full Screen. Why did Apple make a Full Screen feature in their operating system? Minimalism and simplicity. Why does Firefox have a fullscreen option? Because most browsers had that option and it's a useful feature once in a while. Not a compelling reference.
  - DatBear 12y ago
    Do you have a source for this, or did you just make up some reasons to justify mentioning Apple? ...
    - epo 12y ago
      Do pay attention. This sub thread started with a mention of Apple.
      - DatBear 12y ago
        Do pay attention. I commented on the need to mention Apple in this sub thread, as Firefox (the main topic here, if I'm not mistaken) had the same functionality. Then, epochwolf stated that the reasons for implementing the added functionality were different, and therefore the mention of Apple added to the original comment. I then commented asking whether or not he had a source for stating the reasons for implementing said functionality, since it seems as though they're unsubstantiated.
Intermernet 12y ago
Sublime text (and many apps) have full screen functionality in Windows and Linux. Admittedly, Sublime Text leaves a menu bar, but it's about as minimal a menu bar as you could get. Chrome, Firefox, all media players, all games etc. have full screen (no chrome) modes. They had them well before full screen on OS X became a "thing". Your reply misses the point that the original comparison was flawed. It was like saying "A bit like why Apple added ASLR" or "A bit like why Apple added CUPS". They invented neither and were first to market with neither.
mhitza 12y ago
> If I were to maximize Sublime on Windows, Linux, or OS X (green button), you still have the chrome from the windowing system and the OS's menu bars. Yes, if you maximize. However if you go fullscreen (F11) the chrome disappears.

danford 12y ago

>If I were to maximize Sublime on [...] Linux. I don't use sublime, but on Linux (Ubuntu GNOME) when you full screen an app the window decorations are hidden and so are the status/window menus. Edit: before you downvote, please explain why??

epochwolf 12y ago
You're being downvoted because you are incorrect. Ubuntu GNOME does not have an equivalent of OS X full screen build in to the windowing system. It has a maximize button that doesn't remove the chrome, it just makes the window take up the most of the screen. In OS X, there is no window. The app is completely edge to edge similar like an iOS app except without the status bar. Edit: Ubuntu "Fullscreen": http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EnulBlkjTEM/Tzo7Fo3l3uI/AAAAAAAAHwI/N8Fxykdp3uw/s1600/locally-integrated-menu-maxmized.png http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EnulBlkjTEM/Tzo7Fo3l3uI/AAAAAAAAHw... OS X Fullscreen: http://www3.pcmag.com/media/images/237835-iphoto-11-albums-in-full-screen.jpg http://www3.pcmag.com/media/images/237835-iphoto-11-albums-i...
- danford 12y ago
  But that's not full screen though. That's maximize, you are incorrect. http://i.imgur.com/lO0g7oS.gif http://i.imgur.com/lO0g7oS.gif
  - epochwolf 12y ago
    Interesting. I've never seen this before and the only references I've been able to find on it in a quick search was a compiz setting in 12.04. Is this built in to the stock ubuntu releases? If so, what version?
    - danford 12y ago
      This is Ubuntu Gnome. I'm currently Using Ubuntu 14.04 with Gnome 3.10, but afaik it works on Ubuntu 13.x and GNOME 3.x. Not sure about the Unity interface as I have limited experience with it.
    - pbhjpbhj 12y ago
      FWIW that F11 transition works the same for me on KDE (4.12.3) on Kubuntu 13.10 - it's been there for quite a time. I'm using Firefox with the borders set off right now. This gives me a window with no external chrome (no border, no titlebar, no buttons, no scroll area) but set with the standard KDE application bar (which I keep at the bottom a la Win95). Indeed before Firefox ditched the menubar I used an app to get the same effect pinching a lot of real-estate back (titlebar, menubar, buttonbar). It's interesting that things have moved this way, though not surprising.
    - mcintyre1994 12y ago
      Chrome on Elementary OS (Probably consider this Ubuntu 12.04 for this purpose) does a completely chromeless fullscreen on F11 too. Out of interest does OS X support fullscreen on all apps automatically or does the button (it's a window control right?) only show up for supported apps?
      - epochwolf 12y ago
        https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/General/Conceptual/MOSXAppProgrammingGuide/FullScreenApp/FullScreenApp.html https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Genera...
    - voyou 12y ago
      Fullscreen mode has been a standard feature of Linux window managers for a long time - it was certainly available in the metacity WM (used by Gnome 2) 10 years ago.

DatBear 12y ago

There was little need to reference Apple though, as Firefox can do the exact same thing by pressing F11 (on Windows).

epochwolf 12y ago
I disagree. The reference why Apple added Full Screen. Why did Apple make a Full Screen feature in their operating system? Minimalism and simplicity. Why does Firefox have a fullscreen option? Because most browsers had that option and it's a useful feature once in a while. Not a compelling reference.
- DatBear 12y ago
  Do you have a source for this, or did you just make up some reasons to justify mentioning Apple? ...
  - epo 12y ago
    Do pay attention. This sub thread started with a mention of Apple.
    - DatBear 12y ago
      Do pay attention. I commented on the need to mention Apple in this sub thread, as Firefox (the main topic here, if I'm not mistaken) had the same functionality. Then, epochwolf stated that the reasons for implementing the added functionality were different, and therefore the mention of Apple added to the original comment. I then commented asking whether or not he had a source for stating the reasons for implementing said functionality, since it seems as though they're unsubstantiated.

Intermernet 12y ago

Sublime text (and many apps) have full screen functionality in Windows and Linux. Admittedly, Sublime Text leaves a menu bar, but it's about as minimal a menu bar as you could get. Chrome, Firefox, all media players, all games etc. have full screen (no chrome) modes. They had them well before full screen on OS X became a "thing". Your reply misses the point that the original comparison was flawed. It was like saying "A bit like why Apple added ASLR" or "A bit like why Apple added CUPS". They invented neither and were first to market with neither.

mhitza 12y ago

> If I were to maximize Sublime on Windows, Linux, or OS X (green button), you still have the chrome from the windowing system and the OS's menu bars. Yes, if you maximize. However if you go fullscreen (F11) the chrome disappears.