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Is the lack of a unified search/address bar a deliberate choice or the result of some weird IP/patent thing? Every time I switch back to Firefox, it trips me up

Is the lack of a unified search/address bar a deliberate choice or the result of some weird IP/patent thing? Every time I switch back to Firefox, it trips me up. AFAIR, it's the only major browser that still does this, right?

bitsoda 12y ago
Some users are skittish of Chrome's autocomplete since it could potentially send anything you type into the address bar to Google's servers. Mozilla also makes money from selling 'search box real estate' to different providers. So it's more discoverable when the search is in its own designated box.
- 1111123itsme 12y ago
  It's also what some of us frickin' want. I like having a separate search bar, because I can easily control which engine I'm using, and I from the URLbar I can search my history/bookmarks without irrelevant auto-complete results junking it up.
  - magicalist 12y ago
    It really doesn't take much effort to combine the two. e.g. https://blog.mozilla.org/theden/2013/04/17/combine-your-firefox-search-bar-and-address-bar/ https://blog.mozilla.org/theden/2013/04/17/combine-your-fire... I prefer it as well, but I think it's fine as an option via extensions.
Osmose 12y ago
There might be other reasons, but a big one is that having search and address bar in one box means that normal URLs you type into the address bar will get sent to the search engine for autocomplete by default. Since that's a major privacy violation, they're kept separate. I've removed the search box myself. If DNS doesn't return anything or if what you type looks like a search query, it does a search anyway, so the only thing I'm missing is search autocomplete (there's an addon if you really want that anyway: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/instantfox/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/instantfox/).
- Lx1oG-AWb6h_ZG0 12y ago
  The privacy reason honestly seems like a post-hoc justification... you can easily turn off auto search in Chrome. If you were really anal, you could do what IE does and actually _ask_ the user for permission before hitting the search engine. There is really no reason why the search bar has to be kept separate, other than user comfort. And that is not a bad thing: there is no need to start making up excuses for it.
  - nwh 12y ago
    Even if it's turned off you can leak information. Mis-type a local hostname and suddenly your secret URL is public to Google. I've done this more than a few times.
    - magicalist 12y ago
      That's a different setting. You're looking for "Use a web service to help resolve navigation errors"
      - nwh 12y ago
        Different again actually, it's just a failing in the detection of hostname/search term which I couldn't find a setting to disable.
  - brymaster 12y ago
    > there is no need to start making up excuses for it. This seems to come up a lot, but a Mozilla dev already explained it's to protect privacy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5590988 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5590988 I'd take their word for it :)
  - davb 12y ago
    I disagree. When I type something into the search box, I'm explicitly saying "send this to the search provider". I'm more than happy for that box to auto-complete. However when I'm typing into the URL bar, I want different behaviour. That data should remain private. When I'm saying is that I want both autocompleted search and a private URL bar.
ubernostrum 12y ago
Agreeing with bitsoda, so far as I'm aware the rationale is privacy protection -- either box can actually search, but having a box that automatically queries a search engine as soon as you start typing (rather than when you hit Enter) has privacy implications.
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mweibel 12y ago
I actually like it this way, although i'm probably in the minority. I know when i want to search and it's just a cmd+k away (or ctrl+k in non-osx os')
zobzu 12y ago
note that you can change that quite easily. I sort of like the separate search personally.
GrinningFool 12y ago
Just remove the search bar. The address bar is unified search/address.

bitsoda 12y ago

Some users are skittish of Chrome's autocomplete since it could potentially send anything you type into the address bar to Google's servers. Mozilla also makes money from selling 'search box real estate' to different providers. So it's more discoverable when the search is in its own designated box.

1111123itsme 12y ago
It's also what some of us frickin' want. I like having a separate search bar, because I can easily control which engine I'm using, and I from the URLbar I can search my history/bookmarks without irrelevant auto-complete results junking it up.
- magicalist 12y ago
  It really doesn't take much effort to combine the two. e.g. https://blog.mozilla.org/theden/2013/04/17/combine-your-firefox-search-bar-and-address-bar/ https://blog.mozilla.org/theden/2013/04/17/combine-your-fire... I prefer it as well, but I think it's fine as an option via extensions.

Osmose 12y ago

There might be other reasons, but a big one is that having search and address bar in one box means that normal URLs you type into the address bar will get sent to the search engine for autocomplete by default. Since that's a major privacy violation, they're kept separate. I've removed the search box myself. If DNS doesn't return anything or if what you type looks like a search query, it does a search anyway, so the only thing I'm missing is search autocomplete (there's an addon if you really want that anyway: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/instantfox/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/instantfox/).

Lx1oG-AWb6h_ZG0 12y ago
The privacy reason honestly seems like a post-hoc justification... you can easily turn off auto search in Chrome. If you were really anal, you could do what IE does and actually _ask_ the user for permission before hitting the search engine. There is really no reason why the search bar has to be kept separate, other than user comfort. And that is not a bad thing: there is no need to start making up excuses for it.
- nwh 12y ago
  Even if it's turned off you can leak information. Mis-type a local hostname and suddenly your secret URL is public to Google. I've done this more than a few times.
  - magicalist 12y ago
    That's a different setting. You're looking for "Use a web service to help resolve navigation errors"
    - nwh 12y ago
      Different again actually, it's just a failing in the detection of hostname/search term which I couldn't find a setting to disable.
- brymaster 12y ago
  > there is no need to start making up excuses for it. This seems to come up a lot, but a Mozilla dev already explained it's to protect privacy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5590988 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5590988 I'd take their word for it :)
- davb 12y ago
  I disagree. When I type something into the search box, I'm explicitly saying "send this to the search provider". I'm more than happy for that box to auto-complete. However when I'm typing into the URL bar, I want different behaviour. That data should remain private. When I'm saying is that I want both autocompleted search and a private URL bar.

ubernostrum 12y ago

Agreeing with bitsoda, so far as I'm aware the rationale is privacy protection -- either box can actually search, but having a box that automatically queries a search engine as soon as you start typing (rather than when you hit Enter) has privacy implications.

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mweibel 12y ago

I actually like it this way, although i'm probably in the minority. I know when i want to search and it's just a cmd+k away (or ctrl+k in non-osx os')

zobzu 12y ago

note that you can change that quite easily. I sort of like the separate search personally.

GrinningFool 12y ago

Just remove the search bar. The address bar is unified search/address.