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TED Talk: A kinder, gentler philosophy of success

160 points by qeek 17y ago

wallflower 17y ago
"A lot of times our ideas of what it is like to live successfully are not our own. If you're a man, your father. If you're a woman, your mother.. We are highly open to suggestion. We should be truly the authors of our own ambitions. It is bad enough to not get what you want but even worse to find out at the end of the journey that what you got is not what you wanted." "That problem is envy. If there is one dominant emotion in modern society - that is envy. And it's linked to the spirit of equality. We don't envy the Queen of England...because we can't relate to her... And when you can't relate to somebody, you don't envy them. The closer two people are in age, in background, in the process of identification, the more there is a danger of envy... Which is why you should never go to the same school but.. The problem of modern society is it turns the whole world into a school - everybody is wearing jeans and the same and yet they're not." "One of the reasons we fear failure... is the judgment and ridicule of others. The number one organ of ridicule is the newspaper... they have failed and they are described as losers." "We tend to worship ourselves. Our heroes are human heroes. Most other societies have had at that center something that is transcendent. A God, a spirit, a natural force, the universe" -Alian de Botton
oneplusone 17y ago
Amazing talk.
brown9-2 17y ago
Really liked this. For anyone who has read Alain de Botton: Could you recommend some of his books? I'm really interested in checking out his work after watching this.
- wyw 17y ago
  This talk is derived from his book "Status Anxiety" as is the documentary of the same name which is available on Youtube in low quality: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=336D8AE0334C5C91 http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=336D8AE0334C5C91
  - tome 17y ago
    I learned a huge amount from reading this book. I bought it second hand for perhaps 3 pounds. If it had cost 100 pounds it would still have been worth it for the gems I got out of it!
- riklomas 17y ago
  I really enjoyed reading The Consolations of Philosophy by him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Consolations_of_Philosophy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Consolations_of_Philosophy
- donalm 17y ago
  Try The Art of Travel.
  - agbell 17y ago
    Art of Travel is an excellent book. It contains a great story of a man who decided that planning for traveling is superior to actually traveling and many other great little gems.
- jgrahamc 17y ago
  I have just finished reading "The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work" which I thought was fantastic. Particularly the chapter where he follows a high voltage electricity line across southern England until it disappears underground in London. He walks with a man who's a 'pylon geek' essentially and it's wonderful.
  - davidw 17y ago
    I read that one recently too. I liked it... something pleasantly British about it (I don't know how else to describe it).
- Erwin 17y ago
  Looks like everyone has a different AdB favourite. I think I enjoyed "On Love" most.
- stepherm 17y ago
  I've only read "The Architecture of Happiness", but I really enjoyed it.
- gojomo 17y ago
  I once picked up de Botton's "How Proust can change your Life" in an airport impulse purchase; found it disappointing. But based on others' positive reviews of his other works, I might check those out.
Emore 17y ago
I love this kind of TED talks. One of Alain's main arguments was that the "kinder, gentler" philosophy of success should partly be based on the negative implications of meritocracy, i.e. "if you are at the bottom, you deserve to be there and thus you're a looser". But to meritocracy's defense -- isn't it more fair to say that "if you are at the bottom, you can with an effort pull yourself out of there"? And thus "merit" a better position in the social hierarchy? For me, once anyone at the bottom make the slightest effort to rise, they are instantly rising in social hierarchy. Thus, it's all up to themselves, and it's all based on a choice. Make a decision, and merit follows. I'm not sure what I want to say with this argument. But somehow, the criticism forwards meritocracy seemed a little shallow in the talk.
- gregwebs 17y ago
  It is easy to interpret some of what he said as a criticism of meritocracy, but I don't believe there was any. I think what he was trying to say is that meritocracy is great, but we often use the concept to justify cruel attitudes or judgments.
  - fburnaby 17y ago
    In fact, he took the pains to make it clear that he politically supports meritocracy during his talk. So, yes.
- davidw 17y ago
  One distinction that is useful is looking at things in absolute terms or in terms of rankings. In a ranking system, someone is always going to come out the winner, and someone on the bottom. At the Tour de France, someone wins, a bunch of other guys don't, and someone comes in last, even though they are all extremely talented and fast cyclists. In business, someone might make the most money, but most people doing good work create value for society, and increase total wealth, without it necessarily being at the cost of someone else. In other words, ranking systems and contests are zero sum games, whereas plenty of other things are not.
  - 17y ago
ajaypopat 17y ago
I've come to similar personal conclusions about what success means to me (although the speaker articulated it better I possibly could have). The idea that you should define your success by what you are willing to lose/give up on resonated strongly with me. A few years back, I gave up a much better paying job and 'better' career prospects in the US after an Ivy League education, to move back home and stay closer to my dad (who'd just suffered a catastrophic stroke). While I might not be considered super successful in the popular sense, I've redefined the meaning of success for myself. I've realized I value relationships over traditional measures of success and I am willing to lose some of the latter to get more of the former. Incidentally, this realization has been strangely liberating. I'm completely at ease at college reunions, even when I get the odd snicker from classmates who are more 'successful'.
butterfi 17y ago
Thanks to whoever posted this! I've been agonizing over my career for years and have only just started to realize the truth (and beauty) in what he's saying.
- wyw 17y ago
  I'd like to second that. Unfortunately we can only vote once. But this talk is now tied with Jill Bolte Taylor's as my favorite Ted talk. Thanks for posting.
  - concretecode 17y ago
    Interesting. I'd tie de Botton's with Liz Gilbert's talk (http://www.ted.com/talks/elizabeth_gilbert_on_genius.html http://www.ted.com/talks/elizabeth_gilbert_on_genius.html) for first. For those that haven't seen it, it's really worth your time. Her speech skims across the surface of several ideas, and in the last few minutes comes together into an elegant and cohesive whole. I wish I could speak like that.
spitfire 17y ago
Tyler Brulé of Monocle did an interview with Alain covering his recent book. Typical of Tyler it isn't the usual puff piece but he actually pokes for real substance. http://www.monocle.com/sections/culture/Web-Articles/Alain-de-Botton/ http://www.monocle.com/sections/culture/Web-Articles/Alain-d...

160 points by qeek 17y ago

"A lot of times our ideas of what it is like to live successfully are not our own. If you're a man, your father. If you're a woman, your mother.. We are highly open to suggestion. We should be truly the authors of our own ambitions. It is bad enough to not get what you want but even worse to find out at the end of the journey that what you got is not what you wanted." "That problem is envy. If there is one dominant emotion in modern society - that is envy. And it's linked to the spirit of equality. We don't envy the Queen of England...because we can't relate to her... And when you can't relate to somebody, you don't envy them. The closer two people are in age, in background, in the process of identification, the more there is a danger of envy... Which is why you should never go to the same school but.. The problem of modern society is it turns the whole world into a school - everybody is wearing jeans and the same and yet they're not." "One of the reasons we fear failure... is the judgment and ridicule of others. The number one organ of ridicule is the newspaper... they have failed and they are described as losers." "We tend to worship ourselves. Our heroes are human heroes. Most other societies have had at that center something that is transcendent. A God, a spirit, a natural force, the universe" -Alian de Botton

oneplusone 17y ago

Amazing talk.

brown9-2 17y ago

Really liked this. For anyone who has read Alain de Botton: Could you recommend some of his books? I'm really interested in checking out his work after watching this.

wyw 17y ago
This talk is derived from his book "Status Anxiety" as is the documentary of the same name which is available on Youtube in low quality: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=336D8AE0334C5C91 http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=336D8AE0334C5C91
- tome 17y ago
  I learned a huge amount from reading this book. I bought it second hand for perhaps 3 pounds. If it had cost 100 pounds it would still have been worth it for the gems I got out of it!
riklomas 17y ago
I really enjoyed reading The Consolations of Philosophy by him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Consolations_of_Philosophy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Consolations_of_Philosophy
donalm 17y ago
Try The Art of Travel.
- agbell 17y ago
  Art of Travel is an excellent book. It contains a great story of a man who decided that planning for traveling is superior to actually traveling and many other great little gems.
jgrahamc 17y ago
I have just finished reading "The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work" which I thought was fantastic. Particularly the chapter where he follows a high voltage electricity line across southern England until it disappears underground in London. He walks with a man who's a 'pylon geek' essentially and it's wonderful.
- davidw 17y ago
  I read that one recently too. I liked it... something pleasantly British about it (I don't know how else to describe it).
Erwin 17y ago
Looks like everyone has a different AdB favourite. I think I enjoyed "On Love" most.
stepherm 17y ago
I've only read "The Architecture of Happiness", but I really enjoyed it.
gojomo 17y ago
I once picked up de Botton's "How Proust can change your Life" in an airport impulse purchase; found it disappointing. But based on others' positive reviews of his other works, I might check those out.

Emore 17y ago

I love this kind of TED talks. One of Alain's main arguments was that the "kinder, gentler" philosophy of success should partly be based on the negative implications of meritocracy, i.e. "if you are at the bottom, you deserve to be there and thus you're a looser". But to meritocracy's defense -- isn't it more fair to say that "if you are at the bottom, you can with an effort pull yourself out of there"? And thus "merit" a better position in the social hierarchy? For me, once anyone at the bottom make the slightest effort to rise, they are instantly rising in social hierarchy. Thus, it's all up to themselves, and it's all based on a choice. Make a decision, and merit follows. I'm not sure what I want to say with this argument. But somehow, the criticism forwards meritocracy seemed a little shallow in the talk.

gregwebs 17y ago
It is easy to interpret some of what he said as a criticism of meritocracy, but I don't believe there was any. I think what he was trying to say is that meritocracy is great, but we often use the concept to justify cruel attitudes or judgments.
- fburnaby 17y ago
  In fact, he took the pains to make it clear that he politically supports meritocracy during his talk. So, yes.
davidw 17y ago
One distinction that is useful is looking at things in absolute terms or in terms of rankings. In a ranking system, someone is always going to come out the winner, and someone on the bottom. At the Tour de France, someone wins, a bunch of other guys don't, and someone comes in last, even though they are all extremely talented and fast cyclists. In business, someone might make the most money, but most people doing good work create value for society, and increase total wealth, without it necessarily being at the cost of someone else. In other words, ranking systems and contests are zero sum games, whereas plenty of other things are not.
- 17y ago

ajaypopat 17y ago

I've come to similar personal conclusions about what success means to me (although the speaker articulated it better I possibly could have). The idea that you should define your success by what you are willing to lose/give up on resonated strongly with me. A few years back, I gave up a much better paying job and 'better' career prospects in the US after an Ivy League education, to move back home and stay closer to my dad (who'd just suffered a catastrophic stroke). While I might not be considered super successful in the popular sense, I've redefined the meaning of success for myself. I've realized I value relationships over traditional measures of success and I am willing to lose some of the latter to get more of the former. Incidentally, this realization has been strangely liberating. I'm completely at ease at college reunions, even when I get the odd snicker from classmates who are more 'successful'.

butterfi 17y ago

Thanks to whoever posted this! I've been agonizing over my career for years and have only just started to realize the truth (and beauty) in what he's saying.

wyw 17y ago
I'd like to second that. Unfortunately we can only vote once. But this talk is now tied with Jill Bolte Taylor's as my favorite Ted talk. Thanks for posting.
- concretecode 17y ago
  Interesting. I'd tie de Botton's with Liz Gilbert's talk (http://www.ted.com/talks/elizabeth_gilbert_on_genius.html http://www.ted.com/talks/elizabeth_gilbert_on_genius.html) for first. For those that haven't seen it, it's really worth your time. Her speech skims across the surface of several ideas, and in the last few minutes comes together into an elegant and cohesive whole. I wish I could speak like that.

spitfire 17y ago

Tyler Brulé of Monocle did an interview with Alain covering his recent book. Typical of Tyler it isn't the usual puff piece but he actually pokes for real substance. http://www.monocle.com/sections/culture/Web-Articles/Alain-de-Botton/ http://www.monocle.com/sections/culture/Web-Articles/Alain-d...