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It looks like some people like Steve are charismatic enough to get the complete devotion of very talented people. It's a great personality trait to have and pre
by general_failure 13y ago
It looks like some people like Steve are charismatic enough to get the complete devotion of very talented people. It's a great personality trait to have and pretty much guarantees success. We all know geniuses in our everyday life like Wozniak, Bob, cook. But how many of us can get these guys be terrified of us, make them change their lives for our visin and make them give us their complete attention... That's the beauty of Steve. Despite flaws in his character, people seem to be feel previliged working for him.
- 13hours 13y agoI sort of find it a little sad that very talented people have this god like image of someone like Steve. Without them he would have been nothing, but still he gets all the glory and fear, and they get little respect.
- vacri 13y agoThe part of the cult of personality I find most fascinating is the attributions of Apple's successes to Jobs personally, but Apple's failures were attributed to the relevant teams, who 'let Jobs down'.
- jwr 13y agoYou are generalizing, incorrectly. Many people (including myself) are quite aware of Steve's flaws, and yet appreciate the fact that in the end he Got Things Done and achieved impressive things. Admiring or having respect for someone does not necessarily imply you're having a "god-like image" of the person, or that you're unconditionally accepting everything the person has done.
- rmrfrmrf 13y agoIt's bizarre to me that people have this perception when Jony Ive is practically a household name in the US; not to mention that Tim Cook, Phil Schiller, and Scott Forstall all have been given props by Steve in his keynotes. I could rattle off more of Apple's senior leadership than any other tech company, so I really don't understand why people claim that Steve Jobs took all the glory.
- JohnBooty 13y agoI agree. Nobody denies that Jobs has a world-class ego, but I challenge anybody to point out where, in one of Jobs' keynotes or interviews, where he ever takes credit for an invention or innovation using "I" instead of "we."
- CmonDev 13y agoSo why is Apple not releasing any new products lately - just revamps? Companies are thriving under perfectionist, customer-oriented dictators.
- bippi 13y agoCompetent leadership is, I'm finding, incredibly hard to come by. Most tech leaders I've had the fortune/misfortune to be under seem to be of the sort where they were in the right industry at the right time, and they were the only game in town. When it comes to demonstrating leadership and innovation, their ideas end up closer to "The Homer" (car on the Simpsons) than even the worst products Apple has come up with.
- bitL 13y agoIt's probably common in technology area that due to Dunning-Kruger effect many super talented engineers have low self-esteem and real-life skills, and are attracted by "magical" personalities, forming narcissist-codependent pairs. I see it all around, it's sad, but unless engineers fix their broken "insides", it's going to happen. It's then pretty logical that the narcissistic part of the pair gets all the fame, spotlight, power, and the co-dependent part gets used, squeezed, depleted and thrown away once not useful.
- MarkTee 13y agoDunning-Kruger is the opposite (when unskilled individuals think of themselves as being much more talented than they actually are).
- bitL 13y agoD-K goes both ways - unskilled think of themselves highly, highly skilled lowly. I often wonder if this is the ultimate joke of the Universe embedded deeply in the fabric of "matrix".
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- sp332 13y agoMarkTee is right - DK only goes one way. The other direction is called "Impostor Syndrome". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
- CamperBob2 13y agoI don't see how it's invalid to argue that they're just two sides of the same coin. If no-talent hacks think they're better than they are, how could the opposite not be true for the same underlying reasons? Not logically ironclad, of course, but we are talking pop psychology here.
- qq66 13y agoJudging by the number of high level departures from Apple after Jobs' death, it seems like that devotion to Jobs was the main glue holding those personalities together.
- chris_wot 13y ago"But how many of us can get these guys be terrified of us, make them change their lives for our vision and make them give us their complete attention" I'll list a few: * Stalin * Pol Pot * Shoko Ashara * David Koresh
- mmariani 13y agoDid you struggle too much to come up with that list? You only missed Hitler by an inch. Ad hominem attack on a dead man is so low I can't even describe it. Sadly, this is HN. So long HN.