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The bush administration asserted that it could detain anyone without a trial and torture them. This is not equivalent to any average administration as you impli
by jshen 13y ago
The bush administration asserted that it could detain anyone without a trial and torture them. This is not equivalent to any average administration as you implied.
- bmj 13y agoAnd the current, Democratic, administration hasn't exactly rolled back many of these changes, right? My point isn't to criticize the Obama administration, but rather ask: if Hillary Clinton was asked to serve on the board of $your_favorite_service, would you consider dropping that service?
- talmand 13y agoHasn't exactly rolled back? In some cases they were expanded, including to the point of shoot first and ask questions later. As for your hypothetical, since she's apparently going to run for President and would have a decent shot at winning, I wouldn't hold my breath.
- stevehawk 13y agoYou mean the current President that authorized the assassination of a U.S. citizen abroad?
- biden423 13y agoNot to mention the countless drone strikes that kill numerous civilians in the process. Don't let that fool you though. They're apparently not as bad as waterboarding for some reason.
- vdaniuk 13y agoI am not an American, so I am not really acquainted with transgressions of Hillary Clinton but if the tech community would provide the reasons to do so, I would definitely quit using the service.
- maxcan 13y agoThe current administration asserted that it has the right to assassinate anyone it wants, American citizen or not, outside of a battlefield, without any oversight or due process.
- atmosx 13y agoThat's why the US citizen should not elect the same PMs or (maybe) even the same party (although If I were a US citizen I'd sure as hell be a democrat).
- gnopgnip 13y agoCould you provide a source for this? There is an entire process that is full of oversight.
- aeroevan 13y agohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki is the case most people bring up. Killed by a drone strike without due process, but nobody claims that he was anything but a terrorist.
- kzrdude 13y agoAnd his US-born US citizen 16-year old son was killed in a separate strike. Nobody claims he was a terrorist.
- jshen 13y agoI never said the Obama admin was better. I was replying to the implication that the bush admin was typical.
- netcan 13y agoI agree this was bad. I disagree that it was uniquely bad. I strongly feel that it's a red herring. Perhaps I'm wrong, but Americans seem have become easier to whip into a tribal-political rage recently. That in itself is dangerous. It makes the country more susceptible to populism. To me, this immediately registers as a visible hint at problems in the system which are never eliminated but need to be constantly challenged to keep them to a tolerable level. It's a sign that there is a market where political capital and influence is being acquired, traded and sold. It implies crony capitalism, corruption, class entrenchment. If your reaction is 'Look a Republican! Charge!' then you bury the other stuff. The real, genuine, scary problems with the system, not a party and not an old administration.
- jnbiche 13y agoCompared to the Obama administration's assertion that it can kill any American it wants without trial? Here's are reports on this policy from two traditionally liberal news organizations (the conservative ones are equally damning): 1. http://www.salon.com/2010/04/07/assassinations_2/ http://www.salon.com/2010/04/07/assassinations_2/ 2. http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/09/obama-assassinates-us-citizen http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/09/obama-assassin... Don't get me wrong, I believe the Bush administration was horrific. But the Obama administration has turned out to be equally immoral, and in some cases (spying and assassinations) even more so.
- jshen 13y agoI was replying to the implication that the bush admin was just your typical political sin of power. Why you viewed that through a partisan lense I do not know.
- jnbiche 13y agoI didn't view it through a partisan lens. I don't give a damn what party Bush or Obama belong to -- they've both been horrible presidents from an international relations and domestic privacy/constitutional rights perspective, regardless of what letter comes after their name.