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@curbenthusiasm: you seem to have been hell banned - I can't figure out why. edit: Really? Could the downvoter explain to me what's wrong with this comment? Ar

@curbenthusiasm: you seem to have been hell banned - I can't figure out why. edit: Really? Could the downvoter explain to me what's wrong with this comment? Are we supposed to just leave banned accounts to rot now?

steveklabnik 13y ago
Telling people they're hellbanned destroys the purpose of hellbanning.
- m_mueller 13y ago
  Basically it's a system of checks and balances. Hellbanning makes trolling less efficient while showdead makes it possible to correct mistakes. In the case here noone could point out to me why he was banned, so I have to assume a mistake. According to your logic, HN could as well just disable showdead.
  - steveklabnik 13y ago
    If I had to guess, it would be due to a new account submitting a YouTube link: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=curbenthusiasm https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=curbenthusiasm (and yes, I agree, it'd work even better without showdead.)
    - pbhjpbhj 13y ago
      >"it'd work even better without showdead" // What's actually wrong with this persons activity here though - they're [presumably] new and haven't had chance to learn all about HN yet. Their questions/comments don't seem so terrible that they should be hellbanned, or do you disagree. Presumably what you're saying here is that no-one should have the chance to warn those who're hellbanned, we should trust the secret machination of HN to always be right?
      - steveklabnik 13y ago
        I actually very often disagree with the secret machinations of HN. It's not that I agree or disagree with this particular banning, but that in the aggregate, "you are a new account and you post a link to youtube" is a pretty good general characteristic. While it's unfortunate that there's sometimes a false positive, most things that I see explicitly dead deserve to be. Besides, it's pretty easy to figure out if you've been hellbanned, and then if you're real, you can ask dang (I guess, now, eh?) to reverse it. No warnings needed.

steveklabnik 13y ago

Telling people they're hellbanned destroys the purpose of hellbanning.

m_mueller 13y ago
Basically it's a system of checks and balances. Hellbanning makes trolling less efficient while showdead makes it possible to correct mistakes. In the case here noone could point out to me why he was banned, so I have to assume a mistake. According to your logic, HN could as well just disable showdead.
- steveklabnik 13y ago
  If I had to guess, it would be due to a new account submitting a YouTube link: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=curbenthusiasm https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=curbenthusiasm (and yes, I agree, it'd work even better without showdead.)
  - pbhjpbhj 13y ago
    >"it'd work even better without showdead" // What's actually wrong with this persons activity here though - they're [presumably] new and haven't had chance to learn all about HN yet. Their questions/comments don't seem so terrible that they should be hellbanned, or do you disagree. Presumably what you're saying here is that no-one should have the chance to warn those who're hellbanned, we should trust the secret machination of HN to always be right?
    - steveklabnik 13y ago
      I actually very often disagree with the secret machinations of HN. It's not that I agree or disagree with this particular banning, but that in the aggregate, "you are a new account and you post a link to youtube" is a pretty good general characteristic. While it's unfortunate that there's sometimes a false positive, most things that I see explicitly dead deserve to be. Besides, it's pretty easy to figure out if you've been hellbanned, and then if you're real, you can ask dang (I guess, now, eh?) to reverse it. No warnings needed.