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What do you guys want out of this? Do you want Eich to step down from CEO to CTO? Quit Mozilla entirely (and never get employment at any other company you use?)

What do you guys want out of this? Do you want Eich to step down from CEO to CTO? Quit Mozilla entirely (and never get employment at any other company you use?) Issue a statement publicly renouncing his views? Would it be better if he publicly lied about his views? Are we promoting an environment where you have to announce all the "correct" political positions to gain employment?

vishaldpatel 13y ago
I guess this depends on how important the issue is. In this case, it seems to be an issue which is fairly important to a lot of people - that of civil liberties.
- joelrunyon 13y ago
  Wouldn't the most "pro-civil-liberties" position be to have the government not be involved in a private arrangement between two citizens - regardless of gender?
joe_the_user 13y ago
What do you guys want out of this? Do you want Eich to step down from CEO to CTO? That would be a fine solution, really. Is the argument that CEO is a position unlike other positions that hard to grasp? The CEO is the "face" of a company and not just a worker.
- Pacabel 13y ago
  It's kind of absurd to see this sort of contradictory reasoning. I think there'd be outrage if it was suggested that some employee of some company should be fired just because he chose to spend his own time and/or money supporting a pro-gay cause. Yet as we've seen in this case, it's apparently deemed perfectly acceptable by those who'd be outraged in the other case to level the exact same kind of discrimination against somebody who supports an opposite viewpoint. I can't see how such contradictory behavior will help garner support. Fighting discrimination with discrimination is self-defeating.
- cpeterso 13y ago
  If Eich stepped down, should future CEO candidates be required to state their position on Prop 8 and same-sex marriage?
camus2 13y ago
Would it be better if he publicly lied about his views? He cant(he donated publicly). Now he is free to believe what's he wants to believe,just as you and I are free to have an opinion about the subject.Humans are not perfect we all have some level of bigotery and prejudice,noone can deny that. Even I who is pro gay rights. Are we promoting an environment where you have to announce all the "correct" political positions to gain employment? Only if you are a public figure in that company,and the CEO obviously is. He is in the tech business,where these issues are becoming important today. Misogyny,racism at the work place are important subjects right now,we all saw what happened with github and how it can hurt a brand. It's all about wether Eich as CEO will hurt Firefox and Mozilla brand or not, I believe it will.
- vacri 13y ago
  He cant(he donated publicly) You presume that people can't change their opinion.
  - camus2 13y ago
    I presumed nothing, i just said he cant lie about the fact that he did support prop8.

vishaldpatel 13y ago

I guess this depends on how important the issue is. In this case, it seems to be an issue which is fairly important to a lot of people - that of civil liberties.

joelrunyon 13y ago
Wouldn't the most "pro-civil-liberties" position be to have the government not be involved in a private arrangement between two citizens - regardless of gender?

joe_the_user 13y ago

What do you guys want out of this? Do you want Eich to step down from CEO to CTO? That would be a fine solution, really. Is the argument that CEO is a position unlike other positions that hard to grasp? The CEO is the "face" of a company and not just a worker.

Pacabel 13y ago
It's kind of absurd to see this sort of contradictory reasoning. I think there'd be outrage if it was suggested that some employee of some company should be fired just because he chose to spend his own time and/or money supporting a pro-gay cause. Yet as we've seen in this case, it's apparently deemed perfectly acceptable by those who'd be outraged in the other case to level the exact same kind of discrimination against somebody who supports an opposite viewpoint. I can't see how such contradictory behavior will help garner support. Fighting discrimination with discrimination is self-defeating.
cpeterso 13y ago
If Eich stepped down, should future CEO candidates be required to state their position on Prop 8 and same-sex marriage?

camus2 13y ago

Would it be better if he publicly lied about his views? He cant(he donated publicly). Now he is free to believe what's he wants to believe,just as you and I are free to have an opinion about the subject.Humans are not perfect we all have some level of bigotery and prejudice,noone can deny that. Even I who is pro gay rights. Are we promoting an environment where you have to announce all the "correct" political positions to gain employment? Only if you are a public figure in that company,and the CEO obviously is. He is in the tech business,where these issues are becoming important today. Misogyny,racism at the work place are important subjects right now,we all saw what happened with github and how it can hurt a brand. It's all about wether Eich as CEO will hurt Firefox and Mozilla brand or not, I believe it will.

vacri 13y ago
He cant(he donated publicly) You presume that people can't change their opinion.
- camus2 13y ago
  I presumed nothing, i just said he cant lie about the fact that he did support prop8.