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Linux 3.14 out

158 points by arunc 13y ago

nemasu 13y ago
Excellent! My code will now finally work as intended! I used: `uname -r` * r * r and 2 * `uname -r` * r .
- jey 13y ago
  `tex --version` may be a better choice.
  - hf 13y ago
    This should've been in my never-ending history: $ tex -v | head -n1 | awk '{print $2}' 3.1415926 but it wasn't (I distinctly remember using this line to prove a point a few months ago).
quink 13y ago
Not updated yet, but here it goes: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.14 http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.14, with the caveat that: > /!\ /!\ /!\ WARNING /!\ /!\ /!\ : This page is not complete and it's missing lots of critical information. Also: https://lwn.net/Articles/581657/ https://lwn.net/Articles/581657/, https://lwn.net/Articles/582352/ https://lwn.net/Articles/582352/, https://lwn.net/Articles/583681/ https://lwn.net/Articles/583681/, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYzNDg http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYzNDg and http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/21sxiw/linux_314_released/ http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/21sxiw/linux_314_rele.... π
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- krakensden 13y ago
  That's a much more compelling-looking changelog! Good to see the anti-bufferbloat work proceeding apace.
- atweiden 13y ago
  http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.14#head-72b295b09fea85de2e80f0b7850048264fed887e http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.14#head-72b295b09fea85de2e8... zram swap has really sped up my workstation laptop, so I'm pleased to see it in 3.14. I've been running zram in place of a swap partition for about three weeks now. I notice Vim opens faster, as do Chromium bookmarks. Right now I'm having to use an unofficially supported shell script to get zramswap [1]. Hoping official support is on the way. 1: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/zramswap https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/zramswap
_mikz 13y ago
Finally good kernel for docker with AUFS.
- hf 13y ago
  Also, we're possibly one step nearer to Plan9's portable /bin concept (where each user overlays her binaries with those provided by the system).
  - 616c 13y ago
    So I tried looking around for info on this but my Google-fo is kind of weak. If you are still following these comments can you expound on this? It sounds very, very interesting.
    - twoodfin 13y ago
      Try this to start: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/names.html http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/names.html
- philips 13y ago
  What do you mean by this? AUFS wasn't merged in this release cycle.
jmnicolas 13y ago
Is it me or they accelerated the pace of Linux kernel releases ?
- Sae5waip 13y ago
  It's you. Linux has followed a bi-monthly schedule for quite a while now. FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Maintenance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Maintenance
  - uulbiy 13y ago
    While this is true, I have the same feeling as jmnicolas since Linus released version 3. I guess it's because of the new release numbering scheme. Let's not forget that we had 2.6 for close to 8 years!
    - muyuu 13y ago
      I see more posts about it in Hacker News and Reddit, but other than that nothing much has changed since 3.0 regarding version numbering and scheduling and that was in 2011.
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- Sammi 13y ago
  It's because our silly little brains think there is a bigger difference between 3.12 and 3.14 than between 2.6.30 and 2.6.32. When really the prefixes 2.6 and 3 are equivalent in meaning, and the real difference between 12 and 14 and 30 and 32 is also exactly the same. Human brains seem to be evolved to think about numbers in a logarithmic fashion. We stop to think for a long while to debate whether to spend 50 or 75 bucks on a piece of clothing, while we can't perceive the difference between spending 50,000 or 50,025 thousand on a car. The difference would have to be 50,000 to 75,000 thousand for us to perceive it equally.
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lucb1e 13y ago
I always like Linux kernel names, but can't find this one. Does it have a name?
- Spittie 13y ago
  Shuffling Zombie Juror (http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=38dbfb59d1175ef458d006556061adeaa8751b72 http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.g...) From the RC1 announcement (http://lwn.net/Articles/583929/ http://lwn.net/Articles/583929/): I realize that as a number, 3.14 looks familiar to people, and I had naming requests related to that. But that's simply not how the nonsense kernel names work. You can console yourself with the fact that the name doesn't actually show up anywhere, and nobody really cares. So any pi-related name you make up will be *quite* as relevant as the one in the main Makefile, so don't get depressed. Besides, any self-respecting geek will know pi to twenty decimal places from their dorky youth, so 3.14 isn't really *that* close, is it?
  - Aardwolf 13y ago
    Aww, it could at least have been named "Shuffling Zombie Pie"!
- nemasu 13y ago
  Well, the 3.14 series (including RCs) is all named the same it seems: Shuffling Zombie Juror https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/Makefile https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux....
  - lucb1e 13y ago
    Ah okay, thought the RC version was different. Thanks!
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- pantalaimon 13y ago
  the same reason every other big software release is news
sgt 13y ago
Did this reach HN's front page due to it being "Linux π", or is there some particular significance to this realease?
- josteink 13y ago
  3.14 = pi which is always a special number. Who knows. Besides Linux powers almost everything on the internet, (almost) all of the world's smartphones and tablets, routers, NASes, millions and millions of embedded devices, not to mention desktops, Chromebooks, clouds and developer machines. If you raise your focus up past your hipster Macbook and decaffed latte, even a small Linux release is a pretty big thing.
  - unmole 13y ago
    > If you raise your focus up past your hipster Macbook and decaffed latte, even a small Linux release is a pretty big thing. Oh, burn!
  - microtherion 13y ago
    > (almost) all of the world's smartphones and tablets Almost none of which will ever run this particular Linux kernel release. Given the regularity of the kernel release schedule, it seems to me that a release would have to include something particularly interesting (not just support for yet another processor and yet another file system) in order to qualify as newsworthy on a general interest news site like this one.
    - JamesMcMinn 13y ago
      If you think that Hacker news is a "general interest news" site then you clearly have no idea what the general public is actually interested in.
  - 72deluxe 13y ago
    I can see the point of having a Macbook but what's the point of a decaffed latte? Surely it is just like drinking milk? There's no caffeine power to be extracted!
peterkelly 13y ago
Does this mean that all future Linux releases will have version numbers converging towards Pi, like TeX?
- kintamanimatt 13y ago
  No, the next one will be 3.15!
newman314 13y ago
I wonder if this means that 3.14 will make it into Ubuntu 14.04. Would be nice not to have a franken-kernel for a LTS release.
- uulbiy 13y ago
  I would assume that 3.12 would be used instead since it's the latest long-term stable release of the kernel.
  - dvirsky 13y ago
    FWIW I'm already using 14.04 beta2, and the kernel there is 3.13.0-20. This means the stable version will be 3.14, doesn't it?
    - pantalaimon 13y ago
      Why would you conclude that?
      - dvirsky 13y ago
        I remembered odd versions were unstable, but looking at the kernel info, 3.13 is a stable version. So I'm guessing they'll stick with that.
        pantalaimon 13y ago
        > I remembered odd versions were unstable this stopped being true very long ago (with the beginning of the 2.6 series)
        dvirsky 13y ago
        TIL :)
    - baldfat 13y ago
      Kernel freeze is April second so this means that they "should" be able to update the kernel to 3.14 but its Ubuntu and you never know.
lambda 13y ago
Hey, the first kernel release with a patch from me in it! It's just a typo fix in a comment, but hey, it's a start.
- contergan 13y ago
  At least you can put "Linux Kernel Contributor" on your CV now.
  - vanderZwan 13y ago
    Ah, you've seen that comic come by on reddit too, eh? http://i.imgur.com/6KQCx89.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6KQCx89.jpg
krakensden 13y ago
The first change: > make prepend_name() work correctly when called with negative *buflen Reminds me a lot of a different article in this week's LWN: http://lwn.net/Articles/591959/ http://lwn.net/Articles/591959/ which I would describe as exceedingly disconcerting. An excerpt: > So areas like huge pages, page migration, and the mbind() system call have been fertile ground. In the case of mbind(), it turned out that all callers were going through a user-space library. That library did argument checking, so, naturally, the system call itself did not.
LeoNatan25 13y ago
A round of congratulations pies around!

Linux 3.14 out

158 points by arunc 13y ago

nemasu 13y ago

Excellent! My code will now finally work as intended! I used: `uname -r` * r * r and 2 * `uname -r` * r .

jey 13y ago
`tex --version` may be a better choice.
- hf 13y ago
  This should've been in my never-ending history: $ tex -v | head -n1 | awk '{print $2}' 3.1415926 but it wasn't (I distinctly remember using this line to prove a point a few months ago).

quink 13y ago

Not updated yet, but here it goes: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.14 http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.14, with the caveat that: > /!\ /!\ /!\ WARNING /!\ /!\ /!\ : This page is not complete and it's missing lots of critical information. Also: https://lwn.net/Articles/581657/ https://lwn.net/Articles/581657/, https://lwn.net/Articles/582352/ https://lwn.net/Articles/582352/, https://lwn.net/Articles/583681/ https://lwn.net/Articles/583681/, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYzNDg http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYzNDg and http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/21sxiw/linux_314_released/ http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/21sxiw/linux_314_rele.... π

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krakensden 13y ago
That's a much more compelling-looking changelog! Good to see the anti-bufferbloat work proceeding apace.
atweiden 13y ago
http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.14#head-72b295b09fea85de2e80f0b7850048264fed887e http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.14#head-72b295b09fea85de2e8... zram swap has really sped up my workstation laptop, so I'm pleased to see it in 3.14. I've been running zram in place of a swap partition for about three weeks now. I notice Vim opens faster, as do Chromium bookmarks. Right now I'm having to use an unofficially supported shell script to get zramswap [1]. Hoping official support is on the way. 1: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/zramswap https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/zramswap

_mikz 13y ago

Finally good kernel for docker with AUFS.

hf 13y ago
Also, we're possibly one step nearer to Plan9's portable /bin concept (where each user overlays her binaries with those provided by the system).
- 616c 13y ago
  So I tried looking around for info on this but my Google-fo is kind of weak. If you are still following these comments can you expound on this? It sounds very, very interesting.
  - twoodfin 13y ago
    Try this to start: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/names.html http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/names.html
philips 13y ago
What do you mean by this? AUFS wasn't merged in this release cycle.

jmnicolas 13y ago

Is it me or they accelerated the pace of Linux kernel releases ?

Sae5waip 13y ago
It's you. Linux has followed a bi-monthly schedule for quite a while now. FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Maintenance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Maintenance
- uulbiy 13y ago
  While this is true, I have the same feeling as jmnicolas since Linus released version 3. I guess it's because of the new release numbering scheme. Let's not forget that we had 2.6 for close to 8 years!
  - muyuu 13y ago
    I see more posts about it in Hacker News and Reddit, but other than that nothing much has changed since 3.0 regarding version numbering and scheduling and that was in 2011.
deleted 13y ago
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Sammi 13y ago
It's because our silly little brains think there is a bigger difference between 3.12 and 3.14 than between 2.6.30 and 2.6.32. When really the prefixes 2.6 and 3 are equivalent in meaning, and the real difference between 12 and 14 and 30 and 32 is also exactly the same. Human brains seem to be evolved to think about numbers in a logarithmic fashion. We stop to think for a long while to debate whether to spend 50 or 75 bucks on a piece of clothing, while we can't perceive the difference between spending 50,000 or 50,025 thousand on a car. The difference would have to be 50,000 to 75,000 thousand for us to perceive it equally.
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lucb1e 13y ago

I always like Linux kernel names, but can't find this one. Does it have a name?

Spittie 13y ago
Shuffling Zombie Juror (http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=38dbfb59d1175ef458d006556061adeaa8751b72 http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.g...) From the RC1 announcement (http://lwn.net/Articles/583929/ http://lwn.net/Articles/583929/): I realize that as a number, 3.14 looks familiar to people, and I had naming requests related to that. But that's simply not how the nonsense kernel names work. You can console yourself with the fact that the name doesn't actually show up anywhere, and nobody really cares. So any pi-related name you make up will be *quite* as relevant as the one in the main Makefile, so don't get depressed. Besides, any self-respecting geek will know pi to twenty decimal places from their dorky youth, so 3.14 isn't really *that* close, is it?
- Aardwolf 13y ago
  Aww, it could at least have been named "Shuffling Zombie Pie"!
nemasu 13y ago
Well, the 3.14 series (including RCs) is all named the same it seems: Shuffling Zombie Juror https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/Makefile https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux....
- lucb1e 13y ago
  Ah okay, thought the RC version was different. Thanks!

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pantalaimon 13y ago
the same reason every other big software release is news

sgt 13y ago

Did this reach HN's front page due to it being "Linux π", or is there some particular significance to this realease?

josteink 13y ago
3.14 = pi which is always a special number. Who knows. Besides Linux powers almost everything on the internet, (almost) all of the world's smartphones and tablets, routers, NASes, millions and millions of embedded devices, not to mention desktops, Chromebooks, clouds and developer machines. If you raise your focus up past your hipster Macbook and decaffed latte, even a small Linux release is a pretty big thing.
- unmole 13y ago
  > If you raise your focus up past your hipster Macbook and decaffed latte, even a small Linux release is a pretty big thing. Oh, burn!
- microtherion 13y ago
  > (almost) all of the world's smartphones and tablets Almost none of which will ever run this particular Linux kernel release. Given the regularity of the kernel release schedule, it seems to me that a release would have to include something particularly interesting (not just support for yet another processor and yet another file system) in order to qualify as newsworthy on a general interest news site like this one.
  - JamesMcMinn 13y ago
    If you think that Hacker news is a "general interest news" site then you clearly have no idea what the general public is actually interested in.
- 72deluxe 13y ago
  I can see the point of having a Macbook but what's the point of a decaffed latte? Surely it is just like drinking milk? There's no caffeine power to be extracted!

peterkelly 13y ago

Does this mean that all future Linux releases will have version numbers converging towards Pi, like TeX?

kintamanimatt 13y ago
No, the next one will be 3.15!

newman314 13y ago

I wonder if this means that 3.14 will make it into Ubuntu 14.04. Would be nice not to have a franken-kernel for a LTS release.

uulbiy 13y ago
I would assume that 3.12 would be used instead since it's the latest long-term stable release of the kernel.
- dvirsky 13y ago
  FWIW I'm already using 14.04 beta2, and the kernel there is 3.13.0-20. This means the stable version will be 3.14, doesn't it?
  - pantalaimon 13y ago
    Why would you conclude that?
    - dvirsky 13y ago
      I remembered odd versions were unstable, but looking at the kernel info, 3.13 is a stable version. So I'm guessing they'll stick with that.
      - pantalaimon 13y ago
        > I remembered odd versions were unstable this stopped being true very long ago (with the beginning of the 2.6 series)
        dvirsky 13y ago
        TIL :)
  - baldfat 13y ago
    Kernel freeze is April second so this means that they "should" be able to update the kernel to 3.14 but its Ubuntu and you never know.

lambda 13y ago

Hey, the first kernel release with a patch from me in it! It's just a typo fix in a comment, but hey, it's a start.

contergan 13y ago
At least you can put "Linux Kernel Contributor" on your CV now.
- vanderZwan 13y ago
  Ah, you've seen that comic come by on reddit too, eh? http://i.imgur.com/6KQCx89.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6KQCx89.jpg

krakensden 13y ago

The first change: > make prepend_name() work correctly when called with negative *buflen Reminds me a lot of a different article in this week's LWN: http://lwn.net/Articles/591959/ http://lwn.net/Articles/591959/ which I would describe as exceedingly disconcerting. An excerpt: > So areas like huge pages, page migration, and the mbind() system call have been fertile ground. In the case of mbind(), it turned out that all callers were going through a user-space library. That library did argument checking, so, naturally, the system call itself did not.

LeoNatan25 13y ago

A round of congratulations pies around!