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Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

216 points by jgillich 13y ago

dexcs 13y ago
fyi: "final release expected on April 17th, 2014."
- Kudos 13y ago
  Also, upgrading to the final release will happen automatically with your usual `apt-get upgrade`. Edit: to clarify, I mean upgrading from this release to the final.
  - neverminder 13y ago
    Would that be the same case if I installed a daily build from a week ago?
    - popey 13y ago
      Yes, but I would either use Software Updater (update manager) or "sudo apt-get update" followed by "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" (not upgrade as suggested above). Just a minor nitpick.
      - Kudos 13y ago
        That's only if you guys ship a new kernel in the next couple of weeks, right?
  - richardwhiuk 13y ago
    Are you sure that's true? Normally it requires do release upgrade? Normal upgrades also require apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade the kernel as there's a new package.
    - gnur 13y ago
      Upgrading from beta to release is apt-get upgrade. Update from 13.10 (or 12.04) to 14.04 is do-release-upgrade.
    - popey 13y ago
      Not just kernel. dist-upgrade will pull in any new dependency required by an upgraded package.
- scope 13y ago
  don't forget the time, am not exactly sure of the timezone but it'll be released at EXACTLY April 17th, 2014 @ 14:04
herokusaki 13y ago
Based on your experience is it stable enough to upgrade to already? Previously some final betas were.
- neverminder 13y ago
  I've been on it for a week now. It froze on me once on the lock screen, didn't notice anything else.
- ayi 13y ago
  some ppas are not updated, so if you rely on them you should wait.
  - diydsp 13y ago
    I don't know if you know the answer, but I'm curious: There's a ppa for arm-gcc that I want to use (https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded) , but so far it's still on Ubuntu 13.04. How is it possible to try to make the ppa work on Ubuntu 14.04? What are the steps involved? Is there some way to find out how the ppa was made for Ubuntu 13.04 and recreate those steps on 14.04?
- popey 13y ago
  Yeah, I've been running it for some weeks on my laptop and desktop. It's been pretty robust (Intel video driver issues aside) for me.
- pizza234 13y ago
  I've found the Ubuntu [Desktop] stability to be in constant decline over the time, even experiencing bugs in the installers in the latest versions. A few notes: - the "stability" I refer to is always minor errors - I remove lots of packages every time I install it, although I've experienced system error notifications even when I didn't uninstall anything All in all, I'd say that there is a lack of polishing, at the low-level, more than lack of stability. There is no excuse for having the installation fail, though, and it happened a number of times. To reply the question directly, I've used betas a few times, and they worked as much as the final version for me. I wouldn't do it now though - in the past, for my usage, some types of changes were very significant; today, I get very little in upgrading.
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JanezStupar 13y ago
I would use this magnificent milestone to raise my hand and ask... Nvidia, where are my native Linux Optimus drivers?
- fhars 13y ago
  There: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpOyKCNZYw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpOyKCNZYw
- vanderZwan 13y ago
  I dunno, but as someone on a laptop with an intel HD 4000... who can I thank for this ridiculous increase in performance? Default Ubuntu has gone from laggy to rivalling Lubuntu in responsiveness.
  - JanezStupar 13y ago
    For me Unity stopped working somewhere between 13.04 and 13.10... (Asus UX32VD). I am going to upgrade to 14.04 in a couple of months and see what happens.
    - mdeslaur 13y ago
      FYI, I'm currently running 14.04 on an UX32VD. I was previously running 13.10, and that worked great too.
    - luka-birsa 13y ago
      Be a man. Upgrade it today. Whats the worst that could happen?
  - listic 13y ago
    Intel, who is putting the effort into open source drivers and Mesa developers, I think. I think the increase in desktop graphics performance has to do with the updates in Mesa 3D Graphics Library. Ubuntu 13.10 has 9.1, while 14.04 has 10.1. Though I would have thought that Intel HD 4000 would provide decent performance even with the old Mesa. I'm on GMA 4500MHD (GM45, ThinkPad X200, circa 2008) and that feels laggy sometimes (with all special effect options I could find tuned to a minimum), especially when I compare it to my brother's desktop with gaming-grade video card. Most times I put up with it, but one time I decided to try the mesa 10.2-devel, and suddenly - what a relief, my old laptop finally feels like it has no problems displaying windows, again! There are some glitches when displaying some window decorations, but I'm ok with that, as long as the smoothness of work is back (I guess, that's the artifact of -devel version).
Yuioup 13y ago
Is there a short summary of changes since 13.04? The blueprints list is quite extensive.
- jgillich 13y ago
  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/ubuntu-14-04-beta-released http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/ubuntu-14-04-beta-release...
sesm 13y ago
Very excited to see Ubuntu Studio getting LTS support.
horaceho 13y ago
I love LTS!
username42 13y ago
I am very happy that Ubuntu GNOME is present. This means no unity for the next 3 years ;-)
- adwf 13y ago
  At the risk of starting a flamewar, is Gnome 3/Shell really any better? I've never felt quite so unproductive as when I use Gnome nowadays.
  - daivd 13y ago
    I have never quite understood all these desktop emotions. I run Kubuntu, but almost never interact with any desktop features. What is it in your workflow that requires you to interact with Gnome/Unity? (just curious)
    - cturner 13y ago
      alt+tab. Used to work perfectly. Now broken. I've returned to debian stable, which comes with a gnome-2 legacy option that works out of the box just as well as it did a decade ago.
      - hrjet 13y ago
        Have you tried the "Simple App Switcher"? It's the good old alt+tab from yester years. You can enable it through Compiz Settings Manager.
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      - vertex-four 13y ago
        Go to [0], install, configure to either "all windows" or "all windows in current workspace", and alt+tab probably works like you want again. It's not terribly difficult. [0] https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/ https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/
ciupicri 13y ago
Is it to me or this release hasn't switched to systemd from upstart?
- tszming 13y ago
  Not in 14.04 LTS: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
- kijin 13y ago
  AFAIK, the systemd decision was finalized too late to make it into 14.04. Last-minute changes are not a good idea for an LTS release that emphasizes stability. This also means that Canonical gets to keep supporting their darling (Upstart) for another five years ;)
  - Already__Taken 13y ago
    It does mean at least that a systemd LTS ubuntu will be completely bulletproof with so many years of work from all other distros in it....
nitishdhar 13y ago
good to see Ubuntu GNOME has been kept
listic 13y ago
What improvements in touch device and HiDPI support have made it to 14.04? I'm going to use Ubuntu on Microsoft Surface Pro 2, because even though full convergence for Ubuntu is delayed, I think of all Linux distros it is in the best position to run on such devices. Some enthusiasts have made 13.10 work on Surface Pro 2, surely it can only get better from there? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183946 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183946
- matb33 13y ago
  I'm also eagerly awaiting HiDPI support (I have one of those QHD screens on a 15" display, 3200x1800!). There is apparently some support for it in the GNOME version (I've read it was not perfect though). Don't recall where I read this but it was rumored HiDPI may come to 14.10. Probably no more than a rumor... But at least a version number to look at helps me cope :)
  - owaislone 13y ago
    14.04 has very good HiDPI support per monitor unlike Gnome. I've been using 14.04 for months and am loving it on a retina display for the last few weeks. The shell scales perfectly, GTK3 apps scale as well. Firefox has the `layout.css.devPixelsPerPx` setting in about:config that you can change to 2 or 4 to make it scale properly. Chrome doesn't yet support HiDPI screen but setting the default zoom level to 200% does the trick.
    - JanezStupar 13y ago
      So you are telling me that its finally becoming feasible to have a Retina Macbook with Ubuntu? Thats awesome news!
    - matb33 13y ago
      Upgrading now just to try this! (Now to get past "symbol 'grub_term_highlight_color' not found" on boot... I should have waited for the weekend to update to a beta release!)
scanr 13y ago
I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?
- egeozcan 13y ago
  For all personal/hobby projects, I can see myself switching within few weeks. For the "serious" bunch, I may be waiting until the middle of 2016, then I'll start migrating.
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- Mchl 13y ago
  Until 14.04.1 I suppose
  - johnchristopher 13y ago
    IIRC it's Canonical's official stand to suggest users to wait for the first point release. I am sure I read this some days ago, from following a link posted here.
    - popey 13y ago
      Indeed, upgrades aren't prompted for LTS users in Update Manager (Software Updater) until the .1 release hits. Intrepid souls are of course free to upgrade before that.
- k_bx 13y ago
  I've switched couple weeks ago. I should say it's pretty stable.
- kawsper 13y ago
  I am currently on 13.04, I can't wait to upgrade to a newer version where this bug in Beanstalkd is fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beanstalkd/+bug/1239478 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beanstalkd/+bug/12... I think I will upgrade when it is available on Linode.
retube 13y ago
Things I would like: 1) drop the ridiculous Unity desktop. maybe I am old and out of touch, but that was horrific. 2) Dual boot just works with UEFI/Windows 8.1 3) Supports audio and graphics hardware in common brands like Acer I have 9 installed on a samsung since 2009 and it's been an absolute pleasure, just worked. Trying to get 12 or 13 onto a modern Acer however... was a nightmare. V disappointing. I still don't have a functioning soundcard and the battery indicator only starts 1 in 10 boots.
- chatman 13y ago
 GNOME Shell is way better, and now much more stable than before and better than Unity.
 - retube 13y ago
 Ok may give it a wirl. Have xubuntu at the mo which is not bad.
 - SomeoneWeird 13y ago
 take a look at Linux Mint, too, ubuntu without unity, and a lot more polished :)
- owaislone 13y ago
 Things I would like: >>> 1) drop the ridiculous Unity desktop. maybe I am old and out of touch, but that was horrific. 1) They continue to not listen to you. :)
 - arunc 13y ago
 KDE is a sane switch. Completely customizable.
 - JanezStupar 13y ago
 I concur. While I actually like Unity and after during 13.x series Unity stopped working for me I ended up on KDE. Thus far I have been able to costomize it to a level where it beats any other desktop environment I have used so far. Only beef I have with it is inability to set windows key as launcher shortcut. But alt+r works reasonably well.
onmydesk 13y ago
who?
hit8run 13y ago
Is Python3 now the new default Python?
- rohansingh 13y ago
  Nope, Python 2.7.6 is the default.
- rlpb 13y ago
  Define "default". Both Python 2 and Python 3 are installed by default (it's a goal to not have Python 2 installed by default, but Python 3 is already there). If you want /usr/bin/python to be replaced, this is unlikely to ever happen[0], but what difference does that make? [0] http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/
davidgerard 13y ago
Toshiba Portege R830-13C, Intel HD Graphics 3000. Minecraft, running in Xubuntu 14.04 on openjdk 7.51, is having graphics problems that it didn't in 13.10. (No, I haven't filed a bug yet, yes I should ...) Anyone else running Minecraft on Intel HD Graphics 3000? In 14.04 or otherwise.
butchlugrod 13y ago
Just installed it into a VM. No issues, very slick. The UI scaling stuff is a neat addition. Haven't tried the Server edition yet, but I imagine I'll start deploying that in six months or so. Precise Pangolin has been my bread and butter for servers. But why does it still have a "Floppy Disk" icon in the launcher? This is 2014 right? I feel like that is even more absurd than using a floppy disk icon for save buttons in documents. My desktops and laptops don't even have optical drives anymore, much less floppies.
- phaemon 13y ago
  Where's the "Floppy Disk" icon on the launcher? I'm not seeing it. What's it for?
- Shorel 13y ago
  > But why does it still have a "Floppy Disk" icon in the launcher? Because the BIOS of the VM reports a Floppy Disk even if you add no Floppy Disk to the list of hardware installed. That's a bug for the VM BIOS, and a feature for Ubuntu. You can disable it if you want: http://imgur.com/anGmzpj http://imgur.com/anGmzpj
ausjke 13y ago
I already moved all my servers to Debian, have not decided when I should do the same on the Desktop side yet, I don't really care about games/MIR/smart-UI-decision-made-for-me/one-GUI-does-all-screens etc, all I need is vim and a browser, with newer tested packages installed underneath for development.
- pekk 13y ago
  If that's all you need then literally almost any distribution will work for you. ... including Ubuntu
- thinkmassive 13y ago
  I was using Arch as my laptop OS for a couple years until just recently switching to Ubuntu Server 14.04. Since I use i3 it still seems like the same environment. The reason I switched is because I'm developing solely on Ubuntu Server 12.04, and it's less work to get things working once instead of twice. Is there any advantage to using Debian over Ubuntu for servers and/or development?
  - ausjke 13y ago
    I feel Ubuntu is moving towards more to the mobile arena which _could_ impact the desktop/server quality especially for the long run. It could also be fighting a battle that is too big with its limited resource(i.e. stretched too thin). I switched to Debian as a precaution.
ghotli 13y ago
Most of the articles and chatter I can find talks about the changes in 14.04 from a desktop perspective. I only run ubuntu on servers and vms. Does anyone know where I can find a good changelog as to what's changed between 12.04 LTS server and 14.04 LTS server?
- humanrebar 13y ago
  http://distrowatch.org/table.php?distribution=ubuntu http://distrowatch.org/table.php?distribution=ubuntu If you scroll down, there are nice tables that describe various upgrades to default and otherwise important packages.
  - listic 13y ago
    This is a nice table of most common packages, but does anyone know where I can check the version of any package on a particular version of Ubuntu?
    - teraflop 13y ago
      http://packages.ubuntu.com/ http://packages.ubuntu.com/ You can browse the complete list for every supported release. Or, you can search for a particular package and set the distribution to "any" to see the latest version available in each release.
      - listic 13y ago
        Great, thanks! Do you by chance know where to look up package information for CentOS?
- hnriot 13y ago
  most of the reasons for running ubuntu are dekstop oriented. Centos is probably a better bet for servers.
  - haakon 13y ago
ycombasks 13y ago
Any idea if it will be possible to keep the menu in the title bar from being hidden? It looks like you have to mouse-over to show it, which could be a pain if I'm trying to access it often. I'd like to see where to take my mouse without guessing.
- ceronman 13y ago
  There has been a bug open since early 2011 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/732653 https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/732653) This is one of the most annoying thing of the Unity interface, but they just don't want to fix it because it's a "feature".
- smithzvk 13y ago
  I just watched a video overview of the changes. It seems like you must still mouse over to reveal the menus, even with the new option to put menus in the title bar of the window instead of at the top.
  - ycombasks 13y ago
    That's a bit annoying. Hopefully someone will release a patch or something that keeps it from hiding.
    - smithzvk 13y ago
      I think this is a reminder that different interfaces work for different people. I think that the Unity interface, with its hidden menu bars, application menus, scroll bars, etc. is almost perfect and a clear step in the right direction (with the huge exception that it crashes frequently, hopefully this will be fixed for me in the 14.04 release). The idea that I would ever access a drop down menu by mouse is in some way ridiculous and signifies a failure of the application's user interface. Again, that is what I think and it is obvious that other people think drastically different things.
      - ycombasks 13y ago
anonbanker 13y ago
been using 14.04 for about 2 months now. if you're reliant on open drivers (Radeon, Nouveau), and use HDMI output, understand that Kernels 3.13.x and 3.14.x are going to be miserable for you, and you'll be limited to sub-720p resolutions due to regressions in the drivers. 3D has much improved, but the lack of 1080p makes this a dealbreaker for me right now.
keithpeter 13y ago
Desktop oriented end user here: Does anyone else use the mnemonic shortcuts, e.g. ALT-F-A for Save As... and in LibreOffice Alt-I-O-F to pop a mathematical formula into a document? Broken completely in 13.04 and 13.10 and somewhat broken in 14.04 (Alt-F opens File menu but any attempt at a second note in the chord opens a different top level menu). Otherwise sensible changes, menus on window bars makes sense on larger monitors and shrinking sidebar very nice on a 1280 by 800 screen. Very snappy from live image on a Core Duo 2 laptop with Intel graphics (Thinkpad X200s). Good for demonstration of Linux!
- kleiba 13y ago
  Not exactly, but ALT+F is M-f in Emacs which is by default bound to forward-word, i.e., lets you jump over a word. When you run Emacs inside a terminal window, I find it quite annoying that the Menu bar gets activated when you use that shortcut.
Shorel 13y ago
I tested it in a VM. It is like a low latency version of what the previous version is. Extremely responsive. Now I need about 6 ppas to add support for Trusty before I can upgrade my main system to it. Including TrueCrypt.
cies 13y ago
Any other netrunner-os lovers here? Its an Ubuntu derivate with KDE by default, but with much more sane defaults and loads of goodness preinstalled (ad-blockers, YT-downloaders, Steam, codecs, etc.) I love it! (but it's released several months after Ubuntu is released)
csense 13y ago
I hope they fix the part where Unity is crashy, slow, and has a really sucky user interface. I mean, seriously, Unity is a piece of garbage. You have to look up some magical key combination to do something as simple as launching multiple instances of an application. It's as bad as the Mac [1] -- designed to cater to users who aren't smart enough to understand the concept of "multiple instances of an application." In order to launch something, you have to search for it -- WTF? I don't want to search for my application, I know what application I want to run! Let me run it dammit! That whole "no menu you can browse and discover what's installed on your system" is a huge barrier, especially to new users to the Linux ecosystem, because how are you supposed to know the default email client is called Evolution, or your spreadsheet is "LibreOffice Calc"? If there's a comprehensive, categorized menu of all installed applications, you can look through it to, you know, browse what's on your system. Unity is supposed to be good for noobs. I probably have way more understanding of computer fundamentals than anyone who fits in the "noob" category so I probably have a better chance of figuring out what the UI's trying to do, I probably have way more tolerance for crappy, clunky UI's than most noobs [2], and every time I've tried Unity I've usually uninstalled it within a day. If Unity sucks too much for me to handle, the only noobs I can see sticking with it are those who've never used a computer before and have no idea that it's possible to do better. [1] Sorry if this isn't up to date. I don't use Macs much; the last time I used a Mac was sometime around 2004. [2] I played a lot of DOS games in the 1990's. Enough said.

216 points by jgillich 13y ago

dexcs 13y ago

fyi: "final release expected on April 17th, 2014."

Kudos 13y ago
Also, upgrading to the final release will happen automatically with your usual `apt-get upgrade`. Edit: to clarify, I mean upgrading from this release to the final.
- neverminder 13y ago
  Would that be the same case if I installed a daily build from a week ago?
  - popey 13y ago
    Yes, but I would either use Software Updater (update manager) or "sudo apt-get update" followed by "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" (not upgrade as suggested above). Just a minor nitpick.
    - Kudos 13y ago
      That's only if you guys ship a new kernel in the next couple of weeks, right?
- richardwhiuk 13y ago
  Are you sure that's true? Normally it requires do release upgrade? Normal upgrades also require apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade the kernel as there's a new package.
  - gnur 13y ago
    Upgrading from beta to release is apt-get upgrade. Update from 13.10 (or 12.04) to 14.04 is do-release-upgrade.
  - popey 13y ago
    Not just kernel. dist-upgrade will pull in any new dependency required by an upgraded package.
scope 13y ago
don't forget the time, am not exactly sure of the timezone but it'll be released at EXACTLY April 17th, 2014 @ 14:04

herokusaki 13y ago

Based on your experience is it stable enough to upgrade to already? Previously some final betas were.

neverminder 13y ago
I've been on it for a week now. It froze on me once on the lock screen, didn't notice anything else.
ayi 13y ago
some ppas are not updated, so if you rely on them you should wait.
- diydsp 13y ago
  I don't know if you know the answer, but I'm curious: There's a ppa for arm-gcc that I want to use (https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded) , but so far it's still on Ubuntu 13.04. How is it possible to try to make the ppa work on Ubuntu 14.04? What are the steps involved? Is there some way to find out how the ppa was made for Ubuntu 13.04 and recreate those steps on 14.04?
popey 13y ago
Yeah, I've been running it for some weeks on my laptop and desktop. It's been pretty robust (Intel video driver issues aside) for me.
pizza234 13y ago
I've found the Ubuntu [Desktop] stability to be in constant decline over the time, even experiencing bugs in the installers in the latest versions. A few notes: - the "stability" I refer to is always minor errors - I remove lots of packages every time I install it, although I've experienced system error notifications even when I didn't uninstall anything All in all, I'd say that there is a lack of polishing, at the low-level, more than lack of stability. There is no excuse for having the installation fail, though, and it happened a number of times. To reply the question directly, I've used betas a few times, and they worked as much as the final version for me. I wouldn't do it now though - in the past, for my usage, some types of changes were very significant; today, I get very little in upgrading.

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JanezStupar 13y ago

I would use this magnificent milestone to raise my hand and ask... Nvidia, where are my native Linux Optimus drivers?

fhars 13y ago
There: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpOyKCNZYw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpOyKCNZYw
vanderZwan 13y ago
I dunno, but as someone on a laptop with an intel HD 4000... who can I thank for this ridiculous increase in performance? Default Ubuntu has gone from laggy to rivalling Lubuntu in responsiveness.
- JanezStupar 13y ago
  For me Unity stopped working somewhere between 13.04 and 13.10... (Asus UX32VD). I am going to upgrade to 14.04 in a couple of months and see what happens.
  - mdeslaur 13y ago
    FYI, I'm currently running 14.04 on an UX32VD. I was previously running 13.10, and that worked great too.
  - luka-birsa 13y ago
    Be a man. Upgrade it today. Whats the worst that could happen?
- listic 13y ago
  Intel, who is putting the effort into open source drivers and Mesa developers, I think. I think the increase in desktop graphics performance has to do with the updates in Mesa 3D Graphics Library. Ubuntu 13.10 has 9.1, while 14.04 has 10.1. Though I would have thought that Intel HD 4000 would provide decent performance even with the old Mesa. I'm on GMA 4500MHD (GM45, ThinkPad X200, circa 2008) and that feels laggy sometimes (with all special effect options I could find tuned to a minimum), especially when I compare it to my brother's desktop with gaming-grade video card. Most times I put up with it, but one time I decided to try the mesa 10.2-devel, and suddenly - what a relief, my old laptop finally feels like it has no problems displaying windows, again! There are some glitches when displaying some window decorations, but I'm ok with that, as long as the smoothness of work is back (I guess, that's the artifact of -devel version).

Yuioup 13y ago

Is there a short summary of changes since 13.04? The blueprints list is quite extensive.

jgillich 13y ago
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/ubuntu-14-04-beta-released http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/ubuntu-14-04-beta-release...

sesm 13y ago

Very excited to see Ubuntu Studio getting LTS support.

horaceho 13y ago

I love LTS!

username42 13y ago

I am very happy that Ubuntu GNOME is present. This means no unity for the next 3 years ;-)

adwf 13y ago
At the risk of starting a flamewar, is Gnome 3/Shell really any better? I've never felt quite so unproductive as when I use Gnome nowadays.
- daivd 13y ago
  I have never quite understood all these desktop emotions. I run Kubuntu, but almost never interact with any desktop features. What is it in your workflow that requires you to interact with Gnome/Unity? (just curious)
  - cturner 13y ago
    alt+tab. Used to work perfectly. Now broken. I've returned to debian stable, which comes with a gnome-2 legacy option that works out of the box just as well as it did a decade ago.
    - hrjet 13y ago
      Have you tried the "Simple App Switcher"? It's the good old alt+tab from yester years. You can enable it through Compiz Settings Manager.
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    - vertex-four 13y ago
      Go to [0], install, configure to either "all windows" or "all windows in current workspace", and alt+tab probably works like you want again. It's not terribly difficult. [0] https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/ https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/

ciupicri 13y ago

Is it to me or this release hasn't switched to systemd from upstart?

tszming 13y ago
Not in 14.04 LTS: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
kijin 13y ago
AFAIK, the systemd decision was finalized too late to make it into 14.04. Last-minute changes are not a good idea for an LTS release that emphasizes stability. This also means that Canonical gets to keep supporting their darling (Upstart) for another five years ;)
- Already__Taken 13y ago
  It does mean at least that a systemd LTS ubuntu will be completely bulletproof with so many years of work from all other distros in it....

nitishdhar 13y ago

good to see Ubuntu GNOME has been kept

listic 13y ago

What improvements in touch device and HiDPI support have made it to 14.04? I'm going to use Ubuntu on Microsoft Surface Pro 2, because even though full convergence for Ubuntu is delayed, I think of all Linux distros it is in the best position to run on such devices. Some enthusiasts have made 13.10 work on Surface Pro 2, surely it can only get better from there? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183946 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183946

matb33 13y ago
I'm also eagerly awaiting HiDPI support (I have one of those QHD screens on a 15" display, 3200x1800!). There is apparently some support for it in the GNOME version (I've read it was not perfect though). Don't recall where I read this but it was rumored HiDPI may come to 14.10. Probably no more than a rumor... But at least a version number to look at helps me cope :)
- owaislone 13y ago
  14.04 has very good HiDPI support per monitor unlike Gnome. I've been using 14.04 for months and am loving it on a retina display for the last few weeks. The shell scales perfectly, GTK3 apps scale as well. Firefox has the `layout.css.devPixelsPerPx` setting in about:config that you can change to 2 or 4 to make it scale properly. Chrome doesn't yet support HiDPI screen but setting the default zoom level to 200% does the trick.
  - JanezStupar 13y ago
    So you are telling me that its finally becoming feasible to have a Retina Macbook with Ubuntu? Thats awesome news!
  - matb33 13y ago
    Upgrading now just to try this! (Now to get past "symbol 'grub_term_highlight_color' not found" on boot... I should have waited for the weekend to update to a beta release!)

scanr 13y ago

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

egeozcan 13y ago
For all personal/hobby projects, I can see myself switching within few weeks. For the "serious" bunch, I may be waiting until the middle of 2016, then I'll start migrating.
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Mchl 13y ago
Until 14.04.1 I suppose
- johnchristopher 13y ago
  IIRC it's Canonical's official stand to suggest users to wait for the first point release. I am sure I read this some days ago, from following a link posted here.
  - popey 13y ago
    Indeed, upgrades aren't prompted for LTS users in Update Manager (Software Updater) until the .1 release hits. Intrepid souls are of course free to upgrade before that.
k_bx 13y ago
I've switched couple weeks ago. I should say it's pretty stable.
kawsper 13y ago
I am currently on 13.04, I can't wait to upgrade to a newer version where this bug in Beanstalkd is fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beanstalkd/+bug/1239478 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beanstalkd/+bug/12... I think I will upgrade when it is available on Linode.

retube 13y ago

Things I would like: 1) drop the ridiculous Unity desktop. maybe I am old and out of touch, but that was horrific. 2) Dual boot just works with UEFI/Windows 8.1 3) Supports audio and graphics hardware in common brands like Acer I have 9 installed on a samsung since 2009 and it's been an absolute pleasure, just worked. Trying to get 12 or 13 onto a modern Acer however... was a nightmare. V disappointing. I still don't have a functioning soundcard and the battery indicator only starts 1 in 10 boots.

chatman 13y ago
GNOME Shell is way better, and now much more stable than before and better than Unity.
- retube 13y ago
  Ok may give it a wirl. Have xubuntu at the mo which is not bad.
  - SomeoneWeird 13y ago
    take a look at Linux Mint, too, ubuntu without unity, and a lot more polished :)
owaislone 13y ago
Things I would like: >>> 1) drop the ridiculous Unity desktop. maybe I am old and out of touch, but that was horrific. 1) They continue to not listen to you. :)
- arunc 13y ago
 KDE is a sane switch. Completely customizable.
 - JanezStupar 13y ago
 I concur. While I actually like Unity and after during 13.x series Unity stopped working for me I ended up on KDE. Thus far I have been able to costomize it to a level where it beats any other desktop environment I have used so far. Only beef I have with it is inability to set windows key as launcher shortcut. But alt+r works reasonably well.

onmydesk 13y ago

who?

hit8run 13y ago

Is Python3 now the new default Python?

rohansingh 13y ago
Nope, Python 2.7.6 is the default.
rlpb 13y ago
Define "default". Both Python 2 and Python 3 are installed by default (it's a goal to not have Python 2 installed by default, but Python 3 is already there). If you want /usr/bin/python to be replaced, this is unlikely to ever happen[0], but what difference does that make? [0] http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/

davidgerard 13y ago

Toshiba Portege R830-13C, Intel HD Graphics 3000. Minecraft, running in Xubuntu 14.04 on openjdk 7.51, is having graphics problems that it didn't in 13.10. (No, I haven't filed a bug yet, yes I should ...) Anyone else running Minecraft on Intel HD Graphics 3000? In 14.04 or otherwise.

butchlugrod 13y ago

Just installed it into a VM. No issues, very slick. The UI scaling stuff is a neat addition. Haven't tried the Server edition yet, but I imagine I'll start deploying that in six months or so. Precise Pangolin has been my bread and butter for servers. But why does it still have a "Floppy Disk" icon in the launcher? This is 2014 right? I feel like that is even more absurd than using a floppy disk icon for save buttons in documents. My desktops and laptops don't even have optical drives anymore, much less floppies.

phaemon 13y ago
Where's the "Floppy Disk" icon on the launcher? I'm not seeing it. What's it for?
Shorel 13y ago
> But why does it still have a "Floppy Disk" icon in the launcher? Because the BIOS of the VM reports a Floppy Disk even if you add no Floppy Disk to the list of hardware installed. That's a bug for the VM BIOS, and a feature for Ubuntu. You can disable it if you want: http://imgur.com/anGmzpj http://imgur.com/anGmzpj

ausjke 13y ago

I already moved all my servers to Debian, have not decided when I should do the same on the Desktop side yet, I don't really care about games/MIR/smart-UI-decision-made-for-me/one-GUI-does-all-screens etc, all I need is vim and a browser, with newer tested packages installed underneath for development.

pekk 13y ago
If that's all you need then literally almost any distribution will work for you. ... including Ubuntu
thinkmassive 13y ago
I was using Arch as my laptop OS for a couple years until just recently switching to Ubuntu Server 14.04. Since I use i3 it still seems like the same environment. The reason I switched is because I'm developing solely on Ubuntu Server 12.04, and it's less work to get things working once instead of twice. Is there any advantage to using Debian over Ubuntu for servers and/or development?
- ausjke 13y ago
  I feel Ubuntu is moving towards more to the mobile arena which _could_ impact the desktop/server quality especially for the long run. It could also be fighting a battle that is too big with its limited resource(i.e. stretched too thin). I switched to Debian as a precaution.

ghotli 13y ago

Most of the articles and chatter I can find talks about the changes in 14.04 from a desktop perspective. I only run ubuntu on servers and vms. Does anyone know where I can find a good changelog as to what's changed between 12.04 LTS server and 14.04 LTS server?

humanrebar 13y ago
http://distrowatch.org/table.php?distribution=ubuntu http://distrowatch.org/table.php?distribution=ubuntu If you scroll down, there are nice tables that describe various upgrades to default and otherwise important packages.
- listic 13y ago
  This is a nice table of most common packages, but does anyone know where I can check the version of any package on a particular version of Ubuntu?
  - teraflop 13y ago
    http://packages.ubuntu.com/ http://packages.ubuntu.com/ You can browse the complete list for every supported release. Or, you can search for a particular package and set the distribution to "any" to see the latest version available in each release.
    - listic 13y ago
      Great, thanks! Do you by chance know where to look up package information for CentOS?
hnriot 13y ago
most of the reasons for running ubuntu are dekstop oriented. Centos is probably a better bet for servers.
- haakon 13y ago

ycombasks 13y ago

Any idea if it will be possible to keep the menu in the title bar from being hidden? It looks like you have to mouse-over to show it, which could be a pain if I'm trying to access it often. I'd like to see where to take my mouse without guessing.

ceronman 13y ago
There has been a bug open since early 2011 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/732653 https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/732653) This is one of the most annoying thing of the Unity interface, but they just don't want to fix it because it's a "feature".
smithzvk 13y ago
I just watched a video overview of the changes. It seems like you must still mouse over to reveal the menus, even with the new option to put menus in the title bar of the window instead of at the top.
- ycombasks 13y ago
  That's a bit annoying. Hopefully someone will release a patch or something that keeps it from hiding.
  - smithzvk 13y ago
    I think this is a reminder that different interfaces work for different people. I think that the Unity interface, with its hidden menu bars, application menus, scroll bars, etc. is almost perfect and a clear step in the right direction (with the huge exception that it crashes frequently, hopefully this will be fixed for me in the 14.04 release). The idea that I would ever access a drop down menu by mouse is in some way ridiculous and signifies a failure of the application's user interface. Again, that is what I think and it is obvious that other people think drastically different things.
    - ycombasks 13y ago

anonbanker 13y ago

been using 14.04 for about 2 months now. if you're reliant on open drivers (Radeon, Nouveau), and use HDMI output, understand that Kernels 3.13.x and 3.14.x are going to be miserable for you, and you'll be limited to sub-720p resolutions due to regressions in the drivers. 3D has much improved, but the lack of 1080p makes this a dealbreaker for me right now.

keithpeter 13y ago

Desktop oriented end user here: Does anyone else use the mnemonic shortcuts, e.g. ALT-F-A for Save As... and in LibreOffice Alt-I-O-F to pop a mathematical formula into a document? Broken completely in 13.04 and 13.10 and somewhat broken in 14.04 (Alt-F opens File menu but any attempt at a second note in the chord opens a different top level menu). Otherwise sensible changes, menus on window bars makes sense on larger monitors and shrinking sidebar very nice on a 1280 by 800 screen. Very snappy from live image on a Core Duo 2 laptop with Intel graphics (Thinkpad X200s). Good for demonstration of Linux!

kleiba 13y ago
Not exactly, but ALT+F is M-f in Emacs which is by default bound to forward-word, i.e., lets you jump over a word. When you run Emacs inside a terminal window, I find it quite annoying that the Menu bar gets activated when you use that shortcut.

Shorel 13y ago

I tested it in a VM. It is like a low latency version of what the previous version is. Extremely responsive. Now I need about 6 ppas to add support for Trusty before I can upgrade my main system to it. Including TrueCrypt.

cies 13y ago

Any other netrunner-os lovers here? Its an Ubuntu derivate with KDE by default, but with much more sane defaults and loads of goodness preinstalled (ad-blockers, YT-downloaders, Steam, codecs, etc.) I love it! (but it's released several months after Ubuntu is released)

csense 13y ago

I hope they fix the part where Unity is crashy, slow, and has a really sucky user interface. I mean, seriously, Unity is a piece of garbage. You have to look up some magical key combination to do something as simple as launching multiple instances of an application. It's as bad as the Mac [1] -- designed to cater to users who aren't smart enough to understand the concept of "multiple instances of an application." In order to launch something, you have to search for it -- WTF? I don't want to search for my application, I know what application I want to run! Let me run it dammit! That whole "no menu you can browse and discover what's installed on your system" is a huge barrier, especially to new users to the Linux ecosystem, because how are you supposed to know the default email client is called Evolution, or your spreadsheet is "LibreOffice Calc"? If there's a comprehensive, categorized menu of all installed applications, you can look through it to, you know, browse what's on your system. Unity is supposed to be good for noobs. I probably have way more understanding of computer fundamentals than anyone who fits in the "noob" category so I probably have a better chance of figuring out what the UI's trying to do, I probably have way more tolerance for crappy, clunky UI's than most noobs [2], and every time I've tried Unity I've usually uninstalled it within a day. If Unity sucks too much for me to handle, the only noobs I can see sticking with it are those who've never used a computer before and have no idea that it's possible to do better. [1] Sorry if this isn't up to date. I don't use Macs much; the last time I used a Mac was sometime around 2004. [2] I played a lot of DOS games in the 1990's. Enough said.