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Microsoft Should Have Acquired Oculus Rift, Not Facebook
- PostGreHipster 13y agoAbsolutely. The XBOX division has shown their dedication to this field and Facebook has only shown that they love advertising and collecting data.
- hershel 13y agoThere's rumors microsoft is working on VR. They also have an amazing 3d game creation platform for beginners called "project spark", very good at building developer communities a and would be happy to sell more PC's. Assuming they can create decent VR glasses, they seems to have the winning combination of hardware + content. Even better - project spark content would be free, which is a powerful tool to achieve mass appeal.
- batoure 13y agoYeah project spark looks pretty neat. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/games/project-spark http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/games/project-spark I am sure this article will be followed by some offhand comment from Bill Gates the same as with Whats App. Maybe he will upgrade “bold move” to stealing our lunch.
- snarfy 13y agoAfter they abandoned XNA, I would be hesitant to use something like spark.
- batoure 13y agoI think that these types of products aren't worth being attached to in the long run. 1. they aren't real IDE's 2. they age as the technology rapidly evolves around them what their simplicity accounts for today won't capture the platform of tomorrow and 3. these types of tools are meant to be tastes that get you excited in much more robust systems that are out there. I think that if you used any type of platform like this for more that a year or two without trying to move on from it then you didn't really learn anything.
- ephemeralgomi 13y agoThis was exactly my thought, too. Upon investigating Project Spark, it seems like something more akin to a pumped-up LittleBigPlanet than an actual game development framework. I'm sure folks will have fun playing around with it, but not much more than that.
- hershel 13y agoThe interesting thing to do is to look at the progression. Project spark is a huge improvement over little big planet 1 both in graphics and game variety , and maybe programming model/power. Why won't this kind of improvement continue , or maybe there will be some collaborative model between spark and some framework ?
- joezydeco 13y agoI don't know if the deal finalized but Microsoft was working on purchasing Osterhaut Design Group late last year: http://www.osterhoutgroup.com/ http://www.osterhoutgroup.com/ http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/20/microsoft-osterhout/ http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/20/microsoft-osterhout/ From my experiences ODG was more of an industrial design firm than a hardware firm but judging by the Google Glass-like headset on their home page perhaps they were launching into a wearable project and got Microsoft's attention.
- eddanger 13y agoOh god no. I might be just too old. But back in my day Microsoft would buy a company and kill their product. They were referred to as the "Evil Empire" back then, they'd consume companies left, right and center. I still have a bad taste in my mouth and wish they would go away rather than this slow painful death.
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- batoure 13y agoFair comment, the xBox division has for the most part turned out to be a different beast from main-line Microsoft though.
- eddanger 13y agoSo true. Microsoft used to be only about productivity software. Then they became a game company. I see a lot of parallels with Facebook. A social company becoming a game company. Xbox is to Microsoft like Oculus is to Facebook.
- batoure 13y agoMaybe I don't know enough about the internal workings of Facebook but Xbox was the perfect storm of a number of different initiatives that were going on internally at Microsoft at the time. their existing supplychain around peripherals coupled with the fact that windows PCs have always been the primary gaming platform of choice Microsoft was well positioned to leverage existing relationships in the industry to launch a dedicated platform.
- ekianjo 13y agoI don't think so. For Microsoft it was natural to make the Xbox. They were involved in the PC so much, and the first Xbox was basically a PC trapped into a black and green colored box. Most of the work they did then was on software, which was their specialty in the first place. Facebook has no direct connection with hardware, serious 3D gaming, VR or anything close to it. I fail to see how you can draw a comparison between the two. And the Xbox was not an acquisition, it was developed internally by Microsoft.
- bane 13y agoProbably not, a better solution would be for various companies to license the tech from OVR, put some kind of value-add or design into their version of the device and sell it themselves.
- ethana 13y agoI'm pretty sure Microsoft already has its own VR product in development. That internal leaked doc a couple of years ago about xbox 720 revealed something similar to a wearable headset. Combine VR with the holodeck Microsoft has going could be interesting in term of VR GUI.
- devindotcom 13y agoYeah I just commented to the same effect. Natural fit for the Kinect ecosystem, and their hardware labs love this kind of stuff. And they can even keep a secret!
- batoure 13y agoI have felt like kinetic is a missing piece that could really power up something like the oculus. When facebook talks about wanting to do avatar based conferencing or things like that I feel like having a strong motion capture element would definitely be a requirement.
- devindotcom 13y agoIt seems to me like if they wanted to buy it, they would have done so at a much earlier stage. Their hardware and labs teams seem pretty on the ball to me and would likely be already experimenting with this stuff. I have to guess that they already have something in the oven (VR is a natural match for Kinect) and didn't feel like shelling out a ton of money for something their eggheads were already cracking the code to. My guess is we'll see a competing VR product from microsoft at next year's E3 or a little before - watch and learn from Sony's overexposed rollout and maybe even nab a few dudes from the Oculus team who want to continue hacking and don't like the Facebook creep.
- batoure 13y agoI think the "if they wanted to they would have argument" misses some nuance of how business actually works. The impression from the stories available was that this deal was inked very quickly. I think that people at Microsoft are probably equally as stunned as the rest of us that this company was acquired. People from Facebook were actively hanging out at Oculus and watching development, you don't get the impression that other companies had this type of access. I wouldn't be to fast to leap to expecting a Microsoft competitor. The botched Sony launch combined with uncertainty about this purchase by Facebook may make them more likely to pursue other products in the next year and avoid seeming like a band-waggoner.
- foobarian 13y agoKnowing how corporations work, I think it's more likely that MS doesn't really have anything in the works. VR is a funny technology. It's been around a very long time, and attempts keep being made and failing. That means that most big labs probably have had long running programs. A problem with such projects is that once they build up some codebase or knowledge base, it becomes very very hard to start fresh or change directions. I think the Sony project suffers from this, the product really is not in the same league as Oculus, both in hardware specs and the software/UI support. It feels like one of those clunky early MP3 players vs. the iPod.
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- Aloha 13y agoThere will be a flood of "Should X have bought Oculus Rift" articles - almost anyone should have bought Oculus, but I suspect Facebook has a plan, and while I don't know what Facebook is planning, but I suspect its going to be just as much of a surprise as this purchase was. For what its worth, I'm more comfortable with the relationship I have with Facebook that with Google, because at least its clear on the surface what that relationship is - in the same vein I'm more comfortable with my relationship with Apple, compared to Google, for the same reasons.
- batoure 13y agoI am more comfortable with Facebook in the sense that I know what our relationship is so I try hard not to have one. The "Should have X" question is more of an acceptance stage, well I guess if they had to get bought I would rather have seen them go to....X than anything else. But my biggest personal concern is still that this is really a first foray for a company that has never had a hardware product based supply chain. I would have rather seen Oculus go no where on their own then end up at a company that is going to have to build an entirely new business unit from the ground up to support the product. Because lets face it they already had traction on their own.
- Aloha 13y agoI'm looking at this as a strategic investment for Facebook, It's not core to their existing business - but might given then a foothold in the 'next big thing'. My knowledge of what Facebook is doing, allows me to constrain my relationship with the platform in such a way that I have the upper hand of control. I'm strange though, I actually like targeted advertising - I'd rather have ads for something I might actually possibly buy, over say, tampons.
- psbp 13y agoFacebook has been much more flippant with privacy policies and their use of data than Google has ever been. I only see unfavorable comparisons of google to facebook on HN and it really baffles me. It couldn't be farther from the truth.
- plicense 13y agoErr, seriously people, the deal is done. It irritates me to see such pointless articles being posted on HN. Can Microsoft go back? No. Is there anything they can do about Oculus? No. They why the heck are we reading this article?
- techwatching 13y agoThat was my first thought. MS or Google. Certainly moreso either of those than FB. At least there's some product & competency fit. For FB, it just seems like "we need something other than social, lets throw this at the wall and see if it sticks." Who is next?
- jfoster 13y agoFeels like it was more of a missed opportunity for Apple. Gaming is a weakness of Apple's Mac line. The situation is a lot better than it used to be, but is still a weak area. In one swift move they could've made gaming on a Mac better than anywhere else, and any developers who were not already developing for the Mac would have very good reasons to reconsider their position.
- epmatsw 13y agoWeirdly enough, I find myself wishing that Microsoft had purchased them instead of Facebook. They've got the hardware experience, and they've proven they're willing to put their money where their mouth is with the Kinect. Never would have though that I'd be sad that a company I liked didn't get bought up by Microsoft...
- erichurkman 13y agoPlus, Microsoft has had some great hardware on the market. Aside from high-end gaming/graphics peripherals (where other manufacturers excelled better than Microsoft), Microsoft hardware has always been top notch. However, had Microsoft bought it, I'd be concerned that it would end up being some Xbox/Xbox-live only type item.
- epmatsw 13y agoDefinitely would be something to worry about. But Microsoft did provide PC drivers for the Kinect, which would at least have given me hope for what they'd do with this
- jbigelow76 13y agoWith what Microsoft is already doing with Kinect and what little is known about Illumiroom[1] if Microsoft had bought Oculus they could have been left with the conundrum of already having multiple product roadmaps in this space and then having to figure out where Oculus fits in. It might have been too much of a distraction for MS. [1] http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/09/microsoft-and-samsung-demos-illumiroom-display-fills-room-with-images/ http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/09/microsoft-and-samsung-dem...
- Mikeb85 13y agoYeah but MS would have made it Windows/Xbox only. No Linux/Steam OS support...
- shmerl 13y agoNo. Neither Facebook should have.
- Zenst 13y agoThe whole VR thing has been around for a while and every now and then a jump in screens and sensors make it better and smaller and lighter as well as cheaper. That aside Oculus from what I can tell have nothing beyond that, a development kit for a device they made, and from what I know and probably wrong, that is it. Ok they have some talented people, but what is stopping Microsoft reproducing what Oculus already have to get a headset that does the next flavour of 3D. But the only consumer VR affair was maybe a Sega affair and who knows, maybe they have some patents waiting to bite. But it is one of those techs that has been around for a while just waiting to go mainstream. Same was teh case with touchscreens, had them in the 80's even, just better on many levels now. As is the tech for VR headsets. So should Microsoft of brought Oculus, No as they already have experience in that whole area and or the talent to make a something happen if a market is deemed there. Facebook on the other hand, are not as well rounded in the software and hardware as Microsoft and with that easier to borg in the skills needed and if you can get that as a package bundle, all the better.
- mathattack 13y agoThe question on Microsoft is really what type of games... Is it $50 a game, or free games with lots of social upgrades? Either company could also do things like putting you ringside at a football game.
- smacktoward 13y agoNot unless you think changing the device's name to "Microsoft Windows Rift Pro Edition 2015, Powered By Azure" would be a plus.
- stutsmansoft 13y agoWho?
- blueskin_ 13y agoI don't think so, as MS would promptly ruin it by closing it and folding it into the xbone rather than being available for PCs.