16 ms·

It's getting a bit ridiculous how much effort and talent is now dedicated to preparing candidates for interviews.

elwell 13y ago
Doesn't matter what the actual need is; the point is that there is lot of demand for people who want to prepare for interviews.
- 7Figures2Commas 13y ago
  If only they knew that their newfound interviewing skills will in most cases land them...a job doing maintenance on a pedestrian CRUD app. It's a sad state of affairs when the most intellectually challenging part of your job is the coding test you had to pass to get it.
_vn5r 13y ago
I'm from Central America. I went to SF and had a few interviews over a month. I failed in all those 40-minutes-solve-as-many-as-possible-fizzbuzz-problems because I wasn't fast enough. That said, I've been working as a web developer for 11 years now, bulding CRM's, CMS', Crawlers, automation tools, and all kind of web based stuff companies needed. Also, I never went to college, and have been working before finishing high school (15 years old). So, while I lack a lot of computer science education, I consider myself competent at developing solutions, and have progressed with coding practices. But because of the US interviewing style, which I had never gone throug before, I am not employable there. Interview Cake may be just what I need : )
- robotron 13y ago
  Look beyond SF.
  - _vn5r 13y ago
    That is the plan :) Im in LA right now and will check other places.
danielweber 13y ago
It's tough out there. Most companies suck at finding candidates, and most candidates suck at finding employers. Very very few are doing the Matasano route of work samples and then measuring to make sure that this is actually working out. In the meantime, as candidates we do what we can.
- pmiller2 13y ago
  Can you name any other companies who are using the work sample method?
  - mason55 13y ago
    We're a 70 employee B2B startup in NYC that uses something similar. We have a set of problems that we actually solved as we were building out the company - we now give them out as take home interview questions (different questions for different roles). Instead of brain teasers it's testing for real world coding abilities that apply to the job the person will be doing. Assuming the code comes back ok we then use it as the basis for one of the interviews on site. I usually discuss design decisions and then make some changes to the requirements to see how they react.
    - danielweber 13y ago
      Do you measure to see how well this works?
      - mason55 13y ago
        We honestly haven't hired enough engineers to make any sort of statistical measure on it but anecdotally it seems to be effective. We've yet to end up with a false positive and I know that we've hired at least two engineers who are awesome that I don't think we would have hired based solely on an "algorithms at the whiteboard" interview. Plus our engineer-time-invested per declined candidate is way down. Rather than spending 60 - 90 minutes watching a candidate flounder at the whiteboard we can axe them in a 2 minute code review.
bulatb 13y ago
The fact that people need to study for their interviews is evidence that interviews are broken.

Doesn't matter what the actual need is; the point is that there is lot of demand for people who want to prepare for interviews.

7Figures2Commas 13y ago
If only they knew that their newfound interviewing skills will in most cases land them...a job doing maintenance on a pedestrian CRUD app. It's a sad state of affairs when the most intellectually challenging part of your job is the coding test you had to pass to get it.

_vn5r 13y ago

I'm from Central America. I went to SF and had a few interviews over a month. I failed in all those 40-minutes-solve-as-many-as-possible-fizzbuzz-problems because I wasn't fast enough. That said, I've been working as a web developer for 11 years now, bulding CRM's, CMS', Crawlers, automation tools, and all kind of web based stuff companies needed. Also, I never went to college, and have been working before finishing high school (15 years old). So, while I lack a lot of computer science education, I consider myself competent at developing solutions, and have progressed with coding practices. But because of the US interviewing style, which I had never gone throug before, I am not employable there. Interview Cake may be just what I need : )

robotron 13y ago
Look beyond SF.
- _vn5r 13y ago
  That is the plan :) Im in LA right now and will check other places.

danielweber 13y ago

It's tough out there. Most companies suck at finding candidates, and most candidates suck at finding employers. Very very few are doing the Matasano route of work samples and then measuring to make sure that this is actually working out. In the meantime, as candidates we do what we can.

pmiller2 13y ago
Can you name any other companies who are using the work sample method?
- mason55 13y ago
  We're a 70 employee B2B startup in NYC that uses something similar. We have a set of problems that we actually solved as we were building out the company - we now give them out as take home interview questions (different questions for different roles). Instead of brain teasers it's testing for real world coding abilities that apply to the job the person will be doing. Assuming the code comes back ok we then use it as the basis for one of the interviews on site. I usually discuss design decisions and then make some changes to the requirements to see how they react.
  - danielweber 13y ago
    Do you measure to see how well this works?
    - mason55 13y ago
      We honestly haven't hired enough engineers to make any sort of statistical measure on it but anecdotally it seems to be effective. We've yet to end up with a false positive and I know that we've hired at least two engineers who are awesome that I don't think we would have hired based solely on an "algorithms at the whiteboard" interview. Plus our engineer-time-invested per declined candidate is way down. Rather than spending 60 - 90 minutes watching a candidate flounder at the whiteboard we can axe them in a 2 minute code review.

bulatb 13y ago

The fact that people need to study for their interviews is evidence that interviews are broken.