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Craig Newmark on net neutrality

7 points by brett 20y ago

domp 20y ago
http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=7416 http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=7416
- brett 20y ago
  yeah. whoops. didn't realize it was a dupe cause the other one is the 37signals writeup.
pg 20y ago
I was never 100% sure about "net neutrality" (99% maybe) till I read the opposing view by Mike McCurry. What a blatant piece of hired hackwork. The side that needs to employ someone to write things like that must be the wrong side.
- lupin_sansei 20y ago
  I find some of the Cato (Libertarian) arguments against Net Neutrality quite persuasive: "There is no evidence that broadband operators are unfairly blocking access to websites or online services today, and there is no reason to expect them to do so in the future. No firm or industry has any sort of "bottleneck control" over or market power in the broadband marketplace; it is very much a competitive free-for-all, and no one has any idea what the future market will look like with so many new technologies and operators entering the picture." http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-507es.html http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-507es.html Any Broadband provider who blocks Google will immediately lose all their customers. And will create a market in "100% Free Content" ISPs. I also think it's a good thing to be able to choose a hypothetical service where guaranteed high quality VOIP packets are charged differently from P2P traffic. There's also the old assumption that business will tend to be evil and government will tend to be good.
  - dfranke 20y ago
    My knee-jerk reaction was to agree with Cato, but the problem is that broadband isn't a free market. The telcoms have been legislated into monopolistic conglomerates. The damage caused by those laws is already done; repealing them now wouldn't help. So, although in a perfect world I'd be in favor of competing telcoms and against net neutrality laws, a government-created, government-regulated monopoly is better than a government-created, unregulated monopoly.
    - MobileDigit 20y ago
      Why would repealing laws not help now?
      - dfranke 20y ago
        Because the big telcoms already monopolize the infrastructure so no new startup is going to be able to compete with them head-on.
        lupin_sansei 20y ago
        But repealing the laws would allow them to compete with each other.
  - Elfan 20y ago
    "There is no evidence that broadband operators are unfairly blocking access to websites or online services today, and there is no reason to expect them to do so in the future. " That is a rather controversial statement. Dear AOL and the attempts to blackmail Google come to mind.
    - lupin_sansei 20y ago
      Could you provide some links to this? I'd be interested in reading about it.
      - 20y ago

7 points by brett 20y ago

domp 20y ago

http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=7416 http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=7416

brett 20y ago
yeah. whoops. didn't realize it was a dupe cause the other one is the 37signals writeup.

pg 20y ago

I was never 100% sure about "net neutrality" (99% maybe) till I read the opposing view by Mike McCurry. What a blatant piece of hired hackwork. The side that needs to employ someone to write things like that must be the wrong side.

lupin_sansei 20y ago
I find some of the Cato (Libertarian) arguments against Net Neutrality quite persuasive: "There is no evidence that broadband operators are unfairly blocking access to websites or online services today, and there is no reason to expect them to do so in the future. No firm or industry has any sort of "bottleneck control" over or market power in the broadband marketplace; it is very much a competitive free-for-all, and no one has any idea what the future market will look like with so many new technologies and operators entering the picture." http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-507es.html http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-507es.html Any Broadband provider who blocks Google will immediately lose all their customers. And will create a market in "100% Free Content" ISPs. I also think it's a good thing to be able to choose a hypothetical service where guaranteed high quality VOIP packets are charged differently from P2P traffic. There's also the old assumption that business will tend to be evil and government will tend to be good.
- dfranke 20y ago
  My knee-jerk reaction was to agree with Cato, but the problem is that broadband isn't a free market. The telcoms have been legislated into monopolistic conglomerates. The damage caused by those laws is already done; repealing them now wouldn't help. So, although in a perfect world I'd be in favor of competing telcoms and against net neutrality laws, a government-created, government-regulated monopoly is better than a government-created, unregulated monopoly.
  - MobileDigit 20y ago
    Why would repealing laws not help now?
    - dfranke 20y ago
      Because the big telcoms already monopolize the infrastructure so no new startup is going to be able to compete with them head-on.
      - lupin_sansei 20y ago
        But repealing the laws would allow them to compete with each other.
- Elfan 20y ago
  "There is no evidence that broadband operators are unfairly blocking access to websites or online services today, and there is no reason to expect them to do so in the future. " That is a rather controversial statement. Dear AOL and the attempts to blackmail Google come to mind.
  - lupin_sansei 20y ago
    Could you provide some links to this? I'd be interested in reading about it.
    - 20y ago